I second “Brides of Dracula” and also recommend “The Whip and the Body” by Bava, and would add Moctezuma’s “Alucarda”, Rollin’s “Lips of Blood” and Franco’s “A Virgin Among the Living Dead” (French language version and without Rollin’s additional scenes ONLY).
Eager to hear about some things I don’t know about yet. I LOVE well done gothic horror.
Also the BBC Dracula from the 70’s with Louis Jourdan and Frank Finlay is quite good for the most part.
What we see today in cinemas is storybooks, narratives, illustration of text on a screen. It is reduction of what cinema can be, it is an opposition of what you wrote earlier. That is my problem. However, I am not against narrative in cinema. But, it isn’t a rule.
@jazz- will respond when on computer not phone. Hate typing long answers on this.
@Francisco- Many shorts and some features.
Features:
Closure of Catharsis, dir. Rouzbeh Rashidi
In Passing, omnibus film
The Turin Horse, dir. Bela Tarr (described in his production notes at Berlinale as “Remodernist cinema”).
@ Francisco- Since 2003 it was mostly short films with the people involved working and showing sporadically, without a manifesto, and mostly in conjunction with Stuckism painting exhibitions. The filmmakers were mainly interested in making shorter works. The move toward also making features has been very recent.
@Jazz- 1. Authenticity is a tricky thing to talk about, but I personally see a huge difference between filmmakers like Mizoguchi, Ozu and Tarkovsky, vs. say Stanley Kubrick…
However the main point with this concern about being overly focused on perfection is that it can prevent the filmmaker from being open to accidents, the unexpected and allowing the film to develop naturally and uncensored.
2. By Dogme enforcing a checklist they end up running into the same kind of problem the claim to be trying to avoid, so they made dead films. Plus there was always a publicity stunt atmosphere around Dogme and Von Trier particularly.
3. I think this is also similar to the idea of allowing oneself to make shitty films if that is something that needs to be worked through. We are all influenced things whether we want to be or not. I think accepting that this happens and working through and with this is more useful than pretending not to. If someone is working without trying to force things to be one way or another their own mark will develop on it’s own.
Tarkovsky, for example seemed to have a lot of anxiety about Brueghel creeping into his work once and a while. I wish he could have been comfortable with accepting that this happens and it was a natural thing that happened in his process.
As far as inspiration goes I think music and paintings are more useful than filmmakers.
@Jazz 1. I’m for having filmmakers being able to express their own personal vision. I think focusing on the idea of being perfect rather than on the actual vision can be a distraction. As far as Ozu goes, I respect that you have that response. For me personally though, I find Ozu to be comforting (this is maybe not quite the right word).
2. OK- so Dogme 95 is described as “rules to create filmmaking based on the traditional values of story, acting, and theme, and excluding the use of elaborate special effects or technology”. But this is not saying “this is for filmmakers to create their honest vision, which has been held deep within”. I think focusing on story is problematic in itself for example. Yes we can debate what story is and that more things involve story than we think etc etc- BUT- I think when we start with story as a main focus we are already tempted to box it up in a structure rather than to let the thing grow on its own.
3. I think Peter explains pretty well the purpose of the influences thing (and the manifesto in general)- which is to use them as combat tactics against outside forces that prevent one getting to work.
Do you have a copy of the original version of that article (or a link)? I’d love to try to even do a rough translation through google translate. It sounds fascinating.
I want to do adaptations of two Hamsun works: “The Call of Life” (as a short, no longer than 40 minutes) and “Mysteries” as a feature.
For Rilke I want to do “The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge” (as a feature).
These all of course depend on whether I can find funding for them.
Lars Von Trier says he'll never be interviewed again over 1 year ago
Was this something he said in an interview? :D
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NYC Tarr Fans-- Who's going to Turin Horse at NYFF? over 1 year ago
Last call peeps!
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NYC Tarr Fans-- Who's going to Turin Horse at NYFF? over 1 year ago
Yeah I couldn’t believe that someone asked him once again about his decision to stop making films.
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3 Favourite Movies From 5 Favourite Directors over 1 year ago
Ok what the hell… before it changes:
Bela Tarr
The Turin Horse
Satantango
Werckmeister Harmonies
Andrei Tarkovsky
Mirror
Andrei Rublev
Stalker
Yasujiro Ozu
Tokyo Story
Tokyo Twilight
Early Summer
Jean Rollin
Requiem for a Vampire
Lips of Blood
The Living Dead Girl
Kenji Mizoguchi
Ugetsu
Sansho the Bailiff
Life of Oharu
Ok more:
Claire Denis
the intruder
Beau travail
35 shots of rum
Kaurismaki
Man without a past
Match factory girl
Ariel
Franco
A Virgin Among the Living Dead
Succubus
Venus in Furs
I’m already second guessing so I’ll call it a day.
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3 Favourite Movies From 5 Favourite Directors over 1 year ago
Nice! Those are my three favorites by Antonioni in the same order. Good to see Il Grido at the top. That one gets ignored too much.
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Films with Adult Female / Young Male relationships over 1 year ago
There are two film adaptations of Raymond Radiguet’s “The Devil and the Flesh”. One from the 40’s and one from the 70’s by Marco Bellochio.
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The Turin Horse over 1 year ago
The best film in years and years, and arguably his highest achievement.
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Syndromes and a Cinema: A Podcast From a Few Forum Members over 1 year ago
Nice!
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Gothic Horror over 1 year ago
I second “Brides of Dracula” and also recommend “The Whip and the Body” by Bava, and would add Moctezuma’s “Alucarda”, Rollin’s “Lips of Blood” and Franco’s “A Virgin Among the Living Dead” (French language version and without Rollin’s additional scenes ONLY).
Eager to hear about some things I don’t know about yet. I LOVE well done gothic horror.
Also the BBC Dracula from the 70’s with Louis Jourdan and Frank Finlay is quite good for the most part.
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Occupy Cinema over 1 year ago
Occupy Cinema covered by indiewire
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People in Oz over 1 year ago
"Remodernist Cinema/What is it?/Find out here" in Australia’s leading film magazine.
Go get yourselves a copy willya?
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People in Oz over 1 year ago
Thanks guys
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People in Oz over 1 year ago
:D
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Contemporary Contemplative Cinema - The Default Style for Lazy Hacks over 1 year ago
So this was a flame thread. Ashoka still hasn’t provided any specific examples and analysis of the examples.
I guess we can wrap things up here. right?
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Contemporary Contemplative Cinema - The Default Style for Lazy Hacks over 1 year ago
:D Johnsonisokwithme!
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Contemporary Contemplative Cinema - The Default Style for Lazy Hacks over 1 year ago
What we see today in cinemas is storybooks, narratives, illustration of text on a screen. It is reduction of what cinema can be, it is an opposition of what you wrote earlier. That is my problem. However, I am not against narrative in cinema. But, it isn’t a rule.
^^ Agreed.
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Essential Black & White Films: I Need Your Recommendations! over 1 year ago
The Turin Horse
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Best Films about Death and Dying? over 1 year ago
Mother and Son
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LomoKino over 1 year ago
Yeah I definitely want to use this thing.
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LomoKino over 1 year ago
I’ve been chatting with Rob Smart about the idea of doing a feature vampire film partly with this camera. Lets see what happens.
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"In Passing", a Remodernist Film Compilation, premieres Nov 13th @ Quad Cinema in NYC! over 1 year ago
Tickets available here
Watch a trailer for the film:
In Passing- Trailer from Cine Foundation International on Vimeo.
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"In Passing", a Remodernist Film Compilation, premieres Nov 13th @ Quad Cinema in NYC! over 1 year ago
Thanks Jen!
I realized that Peter’s links are all screwed up, so:
Jack Sargeant on Remodernism and the “new personal cinema” HERE
Syndromes and a Cinema forthcoming podcast on Remodernist Film and “In Passing” will be available soon HERE
and the “In Passing” page with more info HERE
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
I’m just on my phone so I can’t respond in depth right now, but these essays in Mungbeing explain things a bit further- here
Also Jack Sargeant describes things well here
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
@jazz- will respond when on computer not phone. Hate typing long answers on this.
@Francisco- Many shorts and some features.
Features:
Closure of Catharsis, dir. Rouzbeh Rashidi
In Passing, omnibus film
The Turin Horse, dir. Bela Tarr (described in his production notes at Berlinale as “Remodernist cinema”).
More are in progress.
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Can people recommend some films fitting these criteria? over 1 year ago
I agree with Blue’s suggestions and Francisco’s of Phase IV
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
@ Francisco- Since 2003 it was mostly short films with the people involved working and showing sporadically, without a manifesto, and mostly in conjunction with Stuckism painting exhibitions. The filmmakers were mainly interested in making shorter works. The move toward also making features has been very recent.
@Jazz- 1. Authenticity is a tricky thing to talk about, but I personally see a huge difference between filmmakers like Mizoguchi, Ozu and Tarkovsky, vs. say Stanley Kubrick…
However the main point with this concern about being overly focused on perfection is that it can prevent the filmmaker from being open to accidents, the unexpected and allowing the film to develop naturally and uncensored.
2. By Dogme enforcing a checklist they end up running into the same kind of problem the claim to be trying to avoid, so they made dead films. Plus there was always a publicity stunt atmosphere around Dogme and Von Trier particularly.
3. I think this is also similar to the idea of allowing oneself to make shitty films if that is something that needs to be worked through. We are all influenced things whether we want to be or not. I think accepting that this happens and working through and with this is more useful than pretending not to. If someone is working without trying to force things to be one way or another their own mark will develop on it’s own.
Tarkovsky, for example seemed to have a lot of anxiety about Brueghel creeping into his work once and a while. I wish he could have been comfortable with accepting that this happens and it was a natural thing that happened in his process.
As far as inspiration goes I think music and paintings are more useful than filmmakers.
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
Peter pretty much covers it.
@Jazz 1. I’m for having filmmakers being able to express their own personal vision. I think focusing on the idea of being perfect rather than on the actual vision can be a distraction. As far as Ozu goes, I respect that you have that response. For me personally though, I find Ozu to be comforting (this is maybe not quite the right word).
2. OK- so Dogme 95 is described as “rules to create filmmaking based on the traditional values of story, acting, and theme, and excluding the use of elaborate special effects or technology”. But this is not saying “this is for filmmakers to create their honest vision, which has been held deep within”. I think focusing on story is problematic in itself for example. Yes we can debate what story is and that more things involve story than we think etc etc- BUT- I think when we start with story as a main focus we are already tempted to box it up in a structure rather than to let the thing grow on its own.
3. I think Peter explains pretty well the purpose of the influences thing (and the manifesto in general)- which is to use them as combat tactics against outside forces that prevent one getting to work.
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
A wonderful quote Fellaheen!
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
Knut Hamsun was also a great writer. Not a perfect person by any stretch of the imagination, but his 1890’s works are particularly amazing.
This has been true of many great artists. Dostoyevsky held some pretty troubling personal views- I could list many more examples.
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Remodernism over 1 year ago
Do you have a copy of the original version of that article (or a link)? I’d love to try to even do a rough translation through google translate. It sounds fascinating.
I want to do adaptations of two Hamsun works: “The Call of Life” (as a short, no longer than 40 minutes) and “Mysteries” as a feature.
For Rilke I want to do “The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge” (as a feature).
These all of course depend on whether I can find funding for them.
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