WhatsUpWill
19Jan12
LMFAO, underrated?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
2/5. Idea interessante e film molto valido per la sua epoca, ma meno per la mia. Avrei cambiato molte cose, da inquadrature a modi di spezzare la storia (alla fine, perché non far solo intravedere il mare di statue, perché? Mi avrebbe dato molto più godimento). Da rivedere.
No film can live up to the hype of 'the greatest film ever', but Citizen Kane was a nice movie and I can see how it was so influential for its time.
I do not consider Citizen Kane as the greatest film of all time. However, Orson Welles made an history upon a great sense of narrative construction such as the storytelling of a life's person through the perspective of different people or alternative ways - like the newsreel at the beginning - that can portrait a life of a men, his empire and his history. Filming like this can make a difference in cinema.
It's quite cheesy and over the top a lot of the time but it completely works, a massively underrated film from Orson Welles
Are you saying that this movie is "rated" at all? I'd say it's more saturated than over-or-under-rated, it should really be left undebated. I don't see how what it's rated could possibly be related to what you feel needs to be stated, in the end it'll be deflated from too many people trying to berate it. When, in the beginning, it was only created for the people who want it personally translated.
The film is a lot of things, but it isn't underrated because everybody has either seen it or heard the name, and not overrated because the praise is justified, like Aditya said. It's just a very, very good film.
This is ultimate film noir. The camera angle, the use of shadow created by Welles, it's a film that created a monster but out someone real and that would destroy you with words.
I always find it hard to avoid the conclusion that this really is the best film ever made, however hard I try. It's far from a perfect film, but greatness has nothing to do with perfection.
Citizen Kane: it is like its own final scene, except without Rosebud. Empty, like the American Dream.
We haven't finished it entirely but had to watch this for film class. We're finishing the screening in the seminar. Apparently it's regularly voted the best film like ever but I don't think it is at all. Maybe I will feel differently when it's finished. It's good so far but not like..the best ever.
Look at the film techniques in most other films from the forties and you might get it. For its time, it tried a multitude of different stylistic approaches to cinematic storytelling, mainly in its photography and editing - Orson Welles might as well have invented the tracking shot himself. It's "the best" because, without it, contemporary cinema would not be the way it is.
I understand that for its time it's very advanced but it doesn't mean by my personal taste it is "the best film ever". Just because something was created/invented that led to improvements in the future it doesn't automatically give it the title of "best ever". If Orson Welles hadn't have done the things he did no doubt others would have eventually. I'm not arguing that it's technically a good film but I would disagree with best film ever because that is entirely by taste. Now if they were to change it to being something like, "most pioneering film ever" or "the best technically made film ever" I may be inclined to agree.
who died and made you the mubi law maker? i posted this on my filmography but as you should be aware it then also posts it to the film page which cannot be helped. i think there needs to be some separation of those features. some people might want to follow what peoples thoughts are as they watch a film and i wanted to comment before i forgot about it entirely. my comments still stood the same after the film as any one can read from the subsequent comment above yours. any ways, ho-hum.
Great film. It would be 5 if there weren't a huge plot hole in the story that no one seems to pay attention to. Without that plot hole its great.
I've always wondered about that as well, but I suppose it's just artistic license.
The guy heard him say Rosebud, but he isn't shown because Welles didn't want to show you him. That's perfectly understandable - we don't need cinema to spell out everything.
I just don't understand people who rate this film below 5 stars. If you're one of those people, read this: WWHHHYYYYYYYYYY???
It didn't perturb me, make me feel something or open my mind open.... Perhaps because I'm not a US citizen and we don't have the same issues... perhaps because the movie answer old questions than I don't care about... perhaps because i didn't get it... For me is just noisy, uninteresting and in a way predictable. It's perhaps good in use of some technical trick.
that's actually a rhetorical question but well, it's nice seeing someone responded. I'm not a US citizen myself. the technique and cinematography alone is enough to take my breath away and make my jaw drop. and the story, well, it's not a nonstop engaging drama but enough to have made me cry at the end, so that's a big plus.
There is a plot hole in the movie. No one is in the room to hear him say rosebud. The maid walks in when the snow globe breaks. That guy at the end who said he heard him wasn't there either. Huge plot hole. without it, its a great film.
Some of the acting is cheesy and there is some truly horrendous dialogue. Other than that, it's pretty good.
can you give me some examples of the horrendous dialogue? about the acting, well, that's how acting was in that era.
Actually that's not how acting was in that era. There were lots of very well acted films. The acting in CItizen Kane ranges from o.k. to appalling. Many of the supposed stylistic breakthroughs were made by Renoir and even before that by Russian directors. And the story is grandiose but crumbles under its own pretensions to making great art. The camera work is great and it's extremely inventive, but to give something 5 stars the acting should be at least credible.
B-movie deity Ed Wood adored this film, and I can absolutely see why. It feels (in the best possible way) to be a b-movie, in feel, as in like Ivan The Terrible, or Apocalypse Now, it embodies the rush of excitement in boyhood fantasies of the movies, so grand and indulgent and exciting. Every sequence is so alive with pure energy, like the best b-movies are. '....AN EMPIRE UPON AN EMPIRE!...FORESTS, OCEAN LINERS!'
not to mention the opening sequence and the many similar in tone throughout the film. This and The Trial are among the most brilliant uses of black and white in film! and yes, this film demands hyperbole in review :}
We should stop calling Orson Welles's CITIZEN KANE (1941) "the best film of all-time" because, I fear, it makes new viewers disinclined to seek it out. This is not art that you must endure in order to check off a box on your Cultural Awareness To-Do List. Rather, it's a highly watchable piece of popular entertainment constructed with flawless artistry. And Joseph Cotten's in it, which is a huge plus. (9/18/11 on TCM)
It's about everything. It's about nothing. It's essential craftsmanship for the director; film transitions 101, blocking 101, advanced camera lighting- you name it. It's exciting film-making. It's classic. It's brand new. It lacks substance, yet it's utterly mature, pure adult drama. It demands to be respected. It's so dense it seems empty. So profound it seems trivial. It's the cornerstone of American cinema.
Watched Citizen Kane in film class last Thursday; the narrative structure is a puzzle with "Rosebud" being the missing piece, and that's what makes it work.
Welles define o 'moderno' e o 'autor' no cinema. O espectador é livre, e a verdade sobre o plano-sequência e a profundidade de campo estão aqui. A narrativa é o fracasso da narrativa, a realidade é um saco sem fundo, e nunca conheceremos todo o Charles Foster Kane. O que fica é que, antes de ser bom ou mau, Kane é quem ele é, o homem (mito) acima do filme.
Buenísima! es un film cargado de ideología, una sátira oscura al mundo empresarial capitalista estadounidense, desde el punto de vista del magnate Charles Foster Kane, el Kubla Khan de los tiempos modernos. La fotografía es muy buena también, hay tomas muy adelantadas a su tiempo, sobre todo algunas de transición muy originales. Ya veo por que es tan mencionada y analizada.
It seems to me that a lot of people revere/respect Kane out of obligation. I don't only respect it greatly, I LOVE watching it. It is easily one of my ten personal favorites of all time.
From the very first frame till the end with burning sledge this movie was emotional impact for me. Sometimes you watch movie known as masterpiece and you are quite bored, but trying to find all those great and new technical or style resolutions. But that's not Citizen Kane case. I was delighted.
Not the greatest film ever but an important film that pioneers and builds on film-making techniques. Certainly not over-rated. Many 25 or 26 year old's today don't know how to scratch their arse properly, let alone make a film of this standard.
It's about a rich newspaper guy who misses his sled. It was later rehashed, and retitled Forrest Gump. No Im not kidding at all.