You came during the rape scene?
re-watching this, noe's intentions are clear, the irreversible nature of fate. in this case i think rape is more of a metaphorical tool, based on what i've seen from noe but his ideas are distracted and fleeting. i think noe's way of creating atmosphere can be a strength, but it has become a weakness because he lacks focus, as shown in this interview: http://www.indiewire.com/article/decade_gasper_noe_on_irreversible
Rape or any other kind of assault is usually silenced and invisibilised on the screen in ways which treat it as a taboo not to be filmed explicitly, BUT NOT THIS TIME. So if you know your limits in witnessing violence and dare to watch this film, Irreversible will force you not to become estranged from or to ignore the impact and even the occurrence of such violent acts.
"LES TEMPS DETRUIT TOUT" They do, indeed. The fluid-camera-movement, the exquisite acting, how terribly depressing it is to realise that everything we do is irreversible and leaves irreversible tears on our skin -- the pregnancy, the rape sequence --. A typical Noé with a misogyny pinch, who definitely left a mark on me.
A film that goes to envelope-pushing lengths to make you sick while simultaneously leaving you in awe over Noe's craftsmanship. However, I've never believed there was much more to him / this piece than provocative imagery. Whereas the depravity of a film like "Salo" is like meat covering a skeleton of dynamic social commentary, "Irreversible" lacks such a skeleton. It's just a pretty, bloody pile of meat.
Very strong movie, that can get a little confusing not only because the story is being told backwards but also because some scenes don't take off immediately where the ones before ended. Still, its a punch in your stomach, extremely violent and raw. The rape scene and the beating up in the club are still a little carved on my mind.
There are few things I hate more than people hiding behind erroneous "free speech" rants to justify supporting violence against women. What happens if somebody who actually has been raped or experienced other forms of sexual violence comes across this and gets triggered? Have you even considered that?
Even if she doesn't purposefully support it, making public comments like that helps to create an atmosphere that enables violence. Sure, a lot of people get turned on by problematic things, but that doesn't mean that they should be aired out uncritically in public. Somebody who may feel victimized by comments like Aurora's is going to have that experience regardless of the initial intention of the comments.
What is wrong with both of you? I said I came with the rape scene because I like violence in sex, that doesn't mean that I support violence against women or snuff movies Hahaha!, this is CINEMA, is a SCENE of a FILM, is not real life and if I turn on watching this, is my problem. I am free to say what I think and is STUPID to say "making public comments like this helps to create an atmosphere that enables violence" HAHAHA c'mon, say that to Tarantino. Be tolerant with other people beliefs and ways to express about cinema and sex.
I don't know what more to say. The fact that rape culture is being circuitously defended through liberal humanist language of "tolerance" is horrifying. Legitimate violence in sex requires explicit and rigorous consent, and nobody who comes across your arguments has given any such consent.
I don't need to be part of any group, even liberals. I just have a personal opinion and taste about violence, that doesn't mean that I'm fuck up or something and if I do is my problem. But the most important thing here is that I AM NOT SUPPORTING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN or promoving the rape or murder againts women. Así que bajale dos man, no te engoriles.
There are three films that moved me; I’m talking about emotionally and physically and “Irreversible” is one of them. Living in NYC, the brutality and the realism of the crime hits home. Surrealism (camera movement and editing) makes this film a powerful work of art. But, “Enter the Void” wasn’t in the same classification as“Irreversible”.
Je n'ai vu ce film qu'une seule fois, mais il a complètement changé la façon dans laquelle je pense à la violence. Le style du film est radical car il est fait à l'envers, mais ce qui choque le plus dans ce film c'est le viol contre la femme. Dans les médias, on oublie ce que "viol" veut dire; on oublie le poids de ce mot. Noé montre bien comment qu'une seule action peut changer plusieurs vies.
One of the most vicious films ever made. There is something strikingly odd in calling this film beautiful, but if you look at all the areas it examines, from animal urges to blatant madness, teamed up with a constantly-moving camera, one could really get something out of this film. If they can sit still through the whole thing. It also conjures up crackpot theories. Mine: This is a film about the child from 2001...
Assuming you mean his little cameo in "The Rectum", I read that he did it as a way of downplaying any negative blowback the portrayal of the garrish homosexual antagonist le Tenia would bring, so as not to give the impression he saw himself as "superior to gays." But I wonder if that even occurs to anybody once they see him doing that...