Howard Orr
11Feb12
They didn't lose it -they destroyed it. :(
I think that the running time on this page is a little hopeful rather than accurate.
This would have been perfect if it wasn't for the last scene which seemed falsely propitiative. Despite RKO's unforgiving editing it remains a masterpiece. One can't even imagine how great the Welles cut must have been.
As Quinton said, Style over substance. The good thing about Welles is the way he knows how to substitute the literary stuff with the cinematographic one. I knowWelles disliked to shot "easy" elements, such as deaths, accidents, sex; so I didn't actually felt bad when George had an accident and we didn't "saw" it, since the peaceful yet conclusive scene next, at the hospital fit pretty well.
Wanted to watch again straight after it finished. Will never forgive RKO for losing all the lost footage.
A hundred years from now or in an alternate reality the original version will be found. Until then we have a pretty good movie that, like The Leopard, shows the downfall of aristocracy in a sad sort of way.
I think I enjoy this movie more than Citizen Kane. The visuals are baroque and the sequences featuring Joseph Cotton and Agnes Moorehead are amazing. I would love to see the unedited version if it still existed....too bad the studio chopped it to pieces.
Selznick offered to buy the original print from RKO and put it in the MoMA. RKO refused and destroyed the negative. Fuckers.
"They promised me when I went to South America, they would send a movieola and cutters to me and that I would finish the cutting of Ambersons there, they never did, they cut it themselves, so they destroyed Ambersons, and the picture itself destroyed me"
If only Welles' version still existed - it's an incredible enough film as it is, but his cut must have been even better.
What a beautiful presentation in this new DVD release. Did anyone notice the hilarious intertextual reference to "Citizen Kane"? Watch very closely and pay attention to Joseph Cotten...
A tingle runs down the spine when one is in the presence of great cinema. THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS, Orson Welles' follow-up to CITIZEN KANE, is filled with such moments, even in its truncated studio version. A grim portrait of an aristocratic family in decline at the turn of the century, Welles uses his arsenal of whip smart writing and innovative cinematography to deliver something of a lost masterpiece.
I saw the 88 minute cut and thought that thematically it was sort of a mess. On the other hand, it was very sound from a technical standpoint. Some wonderfully shot dialog sequences with long takes contrasted by lengthy static shots come to mind. This film explores very creative methods in lighting each scene, helping alter mood and establish an aesthetic footprint in the cinematic world.
realmente para lamentar que la rko destruyera la película de welles. un capítulo mayor del martirologio cinematográfico
Firmly in my Top Five All-Time Favorite Movies. RKO destroyed Orson Welles' original version, a loss for which I mourn, but what remains is truly a wonder. Not as innovative as "Citizen Kane", but twice as enjoyable to watch. The Amberson mansion is as much a character as the human actors, especially as seen through the extraordinary B&W cinematography of Stanley Cortez.
Anybody knows why there isn't any DVD release of " The Magnificent Ambersons" (1942) in USA? Isn't it weird that one of the important features of Orson Welles has been encountered with such a situation?
My favorite Welles. I liked it better than Citizen Kane--I can't say why, it just hit me.
"EJERCICIOS EN TÉCNICA CINEMATOGRÁFICA" LECCIONES EN "PROFUNDIDAD DE CAMPO".- CLASE 1. IMPARTE: WELLES, ORSON. fuera de eso, ni le busquen. quiza se salva el score de Bernard Herrmann. Pero las actuaciones, así como la película, es bastante olvidable.
At times i was a bit underwhelmed although i really didn't know what to expect, this film as very up and down. it always seemed like, just as the film was hitting a stride, it's feet were cut from under it. Which, after reading about the history of this film, makes perfect sense. regardless...it is a Welles' film, and really, can it be bad? i have been wanting to see this film for close to 10 years and thankfully i was able to record it on TCM. unfortunately and stupidly i deleted this after watching, not sure why. well, at least once in my life i was able to see The Magnificent Ambersons
Agnes Moorehead is amazing as the spinster aunt, but as with any Orson Welles film, Orson Welles is the star here, lighting and setting interiors like no other, establishing shot set ups using mirrors, profiles, and sharp shadowed angles. As a period piece, and taken with the flashbacks of Citizen Kane, it reveals Welles' sentimentality for a pre-auto America. A great one based on the Booth Tarkington Novel.
Astonishing how it was re-cut against Welles wishes AND given a rediculous ending and its still an absolute masterpiece.
It's ridiculous to think that a year after being given full control over Citizen Kane (and creating a masterpiece), the studio restricted Welles with this film. And yet there's still a lot of brilliant scenes and moments here, due in large part to the tone Welles used. Cotten is as good (and Baxter as beautiful) as ever, and the closing credits are a great touch.