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ran picado
23Sep10
Para serte honesto, Japon me parecio una propuesta interesante, aunque no puedo decir que me encanto. Pero como acote anteriormente, muestra definitivamente rasgos que emulan a Tarkovsky a nivel formal. Aun asi, creo que vale la pena verla, aunque sea para analizarla y someterla a discusion.
apursansar
23Sep10
La única de Reygadas que he visto es "Batalla en el cielo", pero esa no pareció mucho al cine de Tarkovsky, y en general no me gustó demasiado. "Japón" suena más interesante, y tengo que verla algún día.
ran picado
23Sep10
Soy un devoto al cine de Tarkovsky y de una manera personal me gusta mucho el resultado en la pantalla de lo que proponía en su teoría de temporalidad fílmica. Hace un tiempo vi el filme de Carlos Reygadas Japón (es el único que he visto aunque ya tengo listos dos filmes más de él en espera), y aunque siento que hay diferencias claras a nivel de fondo y concepto con respecto a Tarkovsky, creo que, estrictamente a nivel formal, mencionar su propuesta en esta lista sería relevante. Cual es tu apreciación del cine de Reygadas en este tema específico?
Clarice the Specter
5Apr10
I think <a href="http://www.theauteurs.com/films/111">Irréversible</a> is relevant here? Or perhaps that "<i>le temps detruit tout</i>" is in complete conflict with Tarkovsky's idea?
Anna Nieman
13Feb10
I would have to read the novel, thanks for mentioning it! I think that, when in comes to capturing the fleeting time, Tarkovsky, at least, was concerned with capturing the unity and uniqueness of the moment and its inhabitant. He drew a lot from his father's poetry where this theme is quite prevalent. Of course, I agree with and appreciate you interpretation.
apursansar
13Feb10
You're right, I admit that I was using the above Tarkovsky quote as a pretext in order to list films that reflect on time, but one of his main concerns is of course that the cinematic image is able to capture fragmented time itself. I think that Bioy Casares' novel "The invention of Morel" brilliantly reflects on this "redemption of physical reality" which Kracauer was refering to.
Anna Nieman
13Feb10
Isn't it the essence of a cinematic image - a matrix of the moving time, containing within it the singular individuality of a human. Or as S. Kracauer had put it "The Redemption of Physical Reality".
Waerdnotte
16Nov09
Drew I hadn't really thought about TMWFTE like that before but I think you are right, particularly after having read the novel, which is more literal in its reflection of time, in that TJ Newton is initially using his knowledge to gain maximum wealth in a minimum amount of time initially to return to his world. But as things conspire against him (alcohol, the authorities, love) the progression of time in the movie speeds up and his closest companions age while he remains stuck in time and space. Apursansar Saw Woman of the Dunes last week and it does have a similarity in that the entomologist is imprisoned and gradually loses his sense of time, however, his imprisonment is a result of the villagers kidnapping him, for their own ends. The character in TMWFTE is there as a result of necessity, to find water to save his family and civilization, in the end time is his prison, although like the entomologist in WOTD he comes to accept his fate. But do check out The Man Who Fell To Earth, Bowie is perfect as the alien, and this is Roeg still going through his more fertile period.
Drew.
15Nov09
Its a very interesting film. There's no doubt that its campy at times, but overall I think it is really wonderful, and once again no one can deny that its interesting. Just your mention of Woman in the Dunes gets me shaky and excited (I'm getting the Teshigahara set for my birthday in a month!).
apursansar
15Nov09
Your explanation makes sense to me, Drew. I haven´t seen "The Man Who Fell to Earth" yet, but your description reminds me of "Woman in the Dunes". I will check it out as soon as I´m through with the world cup viewing and then add it to the list.
Drew.
15Nov09
This is a bit of an unconventional recommendation, but I think The Man Who Fell to Earth applies. The protagonist doesn't age (even if this is never actually said), and there is no title cards to show passage of time. All there is are those shocks every time you see another character whose hair has gone grey or who has gained weight. I think the film begins to really use time as a tool. In the beginning it feels like the protagonist needs to get back to his planet as soon as possible and the whole film is going to only last a few weeks or months, but then it becomes clear that years are passing by, and you have to wonder if he is just accepting defeat and becoming comfortable. I'm starting to ramble, but I hope you see what I'm talking about.
apursansar
15Nov09
I think you´re right, "Memento" qualifies since the film makes an attempt to encapsulate and reconstruct time while at the same time making the viewer aware of its subjective nature.
Waerdnotte
14Nov09
Memento (2000) is a film that subverts the viewers perception of time, whilst offering a protagonist whose own perception of time and memories is severely compromised. Does this fit? or is it a little too obvious?
apursansar
12Nov09
I like "Groundhog Day", but to describe it as "sculpting in time" would be rather misleading in regards to the film´s intention, as well as "Back to the Future" might not be exactly what Tarkovsky had in mind when he wrote the book.
apursansar
12Nov09
Thanks, I´m glad you appreciate those lists. And "Three Times" is certainly another films by Hou that fits into the category, I already included "A City of Sadness" and "Good Men, Good Women" and will as well add that one.
