This topic is part of the 2012 MUBI World Cup. If you have not already done so, please read the first post at the topic for an introduction to and rules about this year’s World Cup:
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If you are voting for The Corporal and Others: “Hungary (The Corporal and Others) 1 – Senegal (Touki Bouki) 0”
If you are voting for Touki Bouki: “Hungary (The Corporal and Others) 0 – Senegal (Touki Bouki) 1”
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Oh man I’m pretty sad I’ll be missing this one too……. I hope other people can enjoy it.
Hungary (The Corporal and Others) 1 – Senegal (Touki Bouki) 0
“No canned fruit!”
The funniest film of the cup comes from Hungary. Cool. Such a surprise and kudos to Starvogin for submitting such a refreshingly different film for the Cup. Loved every minute of it.
I’ve been wanting to watch Touki Bouki for about three years now, but I was a little underwhelmed. A good film, I just didn’t find it great.
touki bouki was one of the first films i ever watched on the auteurs 3+ years ago. it’s a lovely road trip with some great images.a pretty even match for me but i’ll go with the hungarian comedy too. loved the butler
hungary (the corporal and the others) 1 – senegal (touki bouki) 0
Touki Bouki : This was an interesting film in its new-wave styled approach. Can’t seem to remember anything more about it other than it’s tedious length and some fun moments.
The Corporal and Others : Seems to be another film inspired by Catch22. Having said that, I had fun watching this. Some nice jokes, although the ending could have been better.
Hungary (The Corporal and Others) 0 – Senegal (Touki Bouki) 1
I enjoyed both of these quite a bit. The Corporal and Others was funny, but ultimately was a bit more forgettable for me. This might be more a response to my viewing habits, though. Touki Bouki is a film I think I enjoyed in spite of myself, as I hated the butchery scenes and would be interested to hear from anyone who has a response to their function here. The editing was disorienting at times, and if I didn’t know better I would think it was the work of a sloppy filmmaker. The “Paris, Paris, Paris” song ended up annoying. And yet it’s the one that’s stuck with me in the end, so it gets my vote. I really wish it had an introduction posted on the forum, but there are at least some reviews around here that are generally glowing.
@Brian I saw those briefly during uploading process and decided I wouldn’t subject myself to them so am not voting in this match but will watch Corporal for personal interest
Unfortunately, I recall them popping up a few times and somewhat randomly, so I can’t tell you to just skip the beginning and the end, but I understand your response. I understand why Renoir put the hunting scenes in The Rules of the Game, or why Saura put them in The Hunt, and I can see why the butchery scenes are in Killer of Sheep, but I still can’t stomach them. Here I’m at a bit of a loss as to what they’re doing there. I don’t see a clear sense of the protagonists being treated like livestock, or being butchered by their environment, and it’s not a profession that seems to have a connection to the protagonists. It’s a shame, considering it’s an enjoyable film otherwise, even if it is a bit scattered.
The “Paris, Paris, Paris” song ended up annoying. And yet it’s the one that’s stuck with me in the end, so it gets my vote.
^I am glad you mentioned that song. I could recollect a bit more of what this film was about when it started playing in my mind. It’s crazy how much of this film has escaped from my memory although I watched it just a few months back.
Heaven and Earth has several butchery scenes so you can decide whether you want to watch it or not. Btw, I also find it tough to stomach such scenes involving animal cruelty so I can understand how you guys feel. Andrei Rublev was a film that diminished in my eyes mainly because of the horse slaughter in the war scenes,
I don’t really have a moral issue with it, animal suffering of course shouldn’t be left out of the realm of cinema (although the animal was deliberaly killed for Andrei Rublev which is obviously questionable) – who knows why the director of Touki Bouki included it here, perhaps he finds it abhorrent too and wanted to make a “look and see” gesture via his film or something I know my limitations though and have to balance awareness and self protection. Thanks for the warning on Heaven and Earth, will approach with caution.
No longer a WC thread, now it’s one of ‘those’ threads. Jeez.
I’ve never really understood the angst over animal suffering in film. It came up last year with Olmi’s The Tree of Wooden Clogs, too (a film I didn’t like but for different reasons). Many animals are killed every single day. Do we really agonize so much over actually being forced to see it on film? Aren’t we all here to confront unpleasant truths? The pig of The Tree of Wooden Clogs would have died one way or another – it and many like it. I haven’t watched Touki Bouki (I’ve fallen hopelessly behind the cup, despite my best intentions) but surely in a culture of relative immediacy (this isn’t Norway or Denmark) scenes of butchery shouldn’t strike an unpleasant chord for us. The world is this way, wherever you are.
which is why I have no moral issue with it but different people have different capacities, I can watch stuff some others can’t – know thyself – but I agree with Tommy and have no desire to take this thread down this particular burrow it’s really quite tedious for people I think
it is what it is
Yeah, that’s true. You watch it and you feel it and that’s just the way it is for you. I should really check out the film sooner or later. After being so committed to the last cup, it’s weird to miss out on so much of this one.
I think Brian was just interested in context/purpose and wondering what others thought – hope you can find the time Malkin! I’m falling behind too despite best efforts
Hungary (The Corporal and Others) – 1 / Senegal (Touki Bouki) – 0
i remember when i first watched touki bouki dimitris castigated me for my rating lol
and am i the only one who imagines comedy is probably funnier in it’s native tongue?
anyways update hungary 5-1
^I am with you on this. It’s really tough to appreciate comedies by reading subtitles or even for that matter, if its a foreign language for you. But I guess one can try as its better than not having comedies at all.
I don’t know, I don’t think my appreciation for a film is hindered by having to watch a film not in my language. I have to watch English films with subtitle constantly because I can’t really hear so…
I love Catch-22. It’s my favorite novel, so I’m excited to see a film compared to it. I won’t get to watch it in time for the match, but I would also have to doubt a film like this would be as funny for us as it would be in it’s original title, especially since Catch-22 plays with language so well.
^well…its not a literal adaptation. Just the general plot is a bit similar. It’s quite enjoyable so I guess you should like it.
The Corporal and the Others – Moderately amusing wartime farce from the Eastern bloc. I liked it but not quite crazy about it. Not as sophisticated or pointed as it probably wants to be but again, moderately amusing.
Touki Bouki – A uniquely cinematic piece. Mambéty demonstrates a keen understanding of how cinema can affect the senses and enable dreams. Dreams of escape and salvation emerging out of cinematic technique. Not too many films better than this.
Hungary (The Corporal and Others) 0 — Senegal (Touki Bouki) 1
Is that a tie?
Aha, two movies I knew before the cup! Well, I voted for Corporal in MG’s 1965 poll (was I the only one?) and didn’t vote for TB in Kuxa’s African poll (where it worked very well) so it was a foregone conclusion.