2012 MUBI World Cup Voting, Match #25: Brazil (Limite) vs. South Africa (Felix in Exile)
Nobody should post comments anywhere on this site, except Rohit. Comments make Rohit very, very angry. Except for his own.
Haha…you know that’s not true Tommy. I would be the first one to appreciate rational and constructive criticism. It’s just comments like those posted by Deacon in this thread that I gain nothing from. Anyway, I see other people finding such stuff amusing so I should have no complaints.
If it’s me who made you puke, Rohit, I’m so sorry. Different people just do things differently. Next time, ignore it. If you see my name and lots of text, skip over it and save your stomach. As for your appreciation of Guru Dutt, on another thread, I agree wholeheartedly with you. As for Limite we disagree.
Hey I don’t mind disagreeing with you. It’s lovely to have opposite view points. It’s the way you present your views that bothers me because it seems you are trying to be a joker or something. Also, when you vote for a film through negation i.e you basically dislike a film more than the other, I feel you must keep your comments brief because you cannot bring anything constructive to the table. I don’t even feel like saying that I disagree with your criticism because its not even criticism in my opinion. It’s a load of gibberish that can at the most mildly amuse someone. I mean no offense so don’t take this as a personal attack. I just hope you have something better to say about films in the future or as you suggested I will skip your comments.
i’m posting fake beard’s vote because he’s off doing revoltingly uncinematic things
This is a difficult match to vote on, and perhaps even more difficult (for me) to adequately comment about. I loved both of these films about equally, but they were also such sensory, visceral experiences that I can’t say much, except that they were both peerless documents of the possibilities of their respective, vastly different methods. Limite is a frequently haunting and endlessly fascinating work, and as has been noted already, something of an anguished, deeply felt elegy to a past form, but for no particular reason, I’m choosing to look in the opposite direction this time, to laud the inventiveness of the relatively newer medium, and its stunningly expressive engagement with questions of history and memory
Brazil (Limite) 0 – South Africa (Felix in Exile) 1
Brazil (Limite) 1 – South Africa (Felix in Exile) 0
I’d love a chance to go back in time and sit with Mário Peixoto at age nineteen in a cemetary and watch the wind for half an hour. What a fascinating thing is the circumstance of this most remarkable representation of human despair and impotence, distanced yet desperately close at once, and its young creator. The music went far in aiding and abetting its reach, I particularly wish I knew what the piece was playing when she was looking up at him on the stairs, it was around the 36th minute very familiar and know I should have known…..
Meg, the music is from the Borodin String Quartet #2 in D Major
I really like the music in this film – includes many favorites like the Debussy & Ravel Quartets and Stravinsky’s Firebird
Whatever a film from the cup inspires someone to write, be it commentary, criticism, a poem, or gibberish, I’ll be glad for it :)
Lots of Debussy in Limite. I liked the music, but there were times where it didn’t seem to fit. Although I wasn’t too sure if it fit because I wasn’t too sure what was going on. When I have time later, I’ll read those links Oxy posted for some insight. I was bored most of the time except for the shots of the water coming over the rocks. At first I thoughti t was a fireball. Then I was amazed to see how similar water and fire, two elemental opposites, could look so similar.
Favorite parts of Felix in Exile were when the dead bodies turned into landscapes. I’m not sure what that meant, but I took it to mean that the world and the structures around us were often built off the dead and some of our best solid memories of lives now gone. That may not have been what the artist intended at all, but that’s what I took.
Brazil (Limite) 0 – South Africa (Felix in Exile) 1
ah! the music was the one thing i didn’t like in limite! sounded like one of those silent film clips you watch on youtube and someone’s added the first bit of ‘classical’ gush they got their hands on.
frankly speaking, with such awesome visuals I never paid any conscious attention to the music. The visuals simply knocked me out.
ah! the music was the one thing i didn’t like in limite! sounded like one of those silent film clips you watch on youtube and someone’s added the first bit of ‘classical’ gush they got their hands on.
That’s what I’m saying though. It didn’t seem to fit.
Can someone close this match up? I’ll be walking out the door ten minutes before it’s supposed to end.
ah! the music was the one thing i didn’t like in limite! sounded like one of those silent film clips you watch on youtube and someone’s added the first bit of ‘classical’ gush they got their hands on.
Way harsh Tai:)….
Thanks so much for digging that out Oxy I’m playing it right now, isn’t it sublime. all art aspires to music, all of it
PS I do know what you mean magpies now you’ve said that, but I didn’t think of it at the time because (as Rohit said) the visuals were so arresting – the only time I had a bit of reaction against the music was when it got quite jangly and hurt my delicate shell-likes…
Brazil (Limite) 0 – South Africa (Felix in Exile) 1
i wanted to say that semi-destroyed part of the film was my favorite part. and i like to think magpies is right in her interpretation of the film as the last frenzied rush of the silent cinema, the most beautiful era of films. rip
is it time to close the match now?
VOTING IS CLOSED
Final tally:
Brazil (Limite) – 8
South Africa (Felix in Exile) – 6
The winner is:
BRAZIL!
Beloved Land
Amongst a thousand others
Art thou, Brazil,
O beloved homeland!
Sound the call to come together,
And united we shall stand,
Let us live and strive for freedom
In South Africa, our land!
…sorry Rubes, were you going to do it? I didn’t know if anyone else was around, are you doing the flags?
no, go for it, meg! i just got here xD
i was in brazil just about a year ago btw; marvelous country, wonderful people, i recommend it to everyone! parabéns!
ok – got it in time to add them in “edit” which is all neat and tidy:)
edit! thanks meg!
^:) – sorry I put both flags up Riss!! half asleep down here, I’ve only done one other which was that tied match & was doing the same flag posting thing here without thinking zzzz
Thanks for closing it up for me. I was just at a gardening class!
i wanted to say that semi-destroyed part of the film was my favorite part
That was my second favorite part, after the water that looked like fire.
sorry I put both flags up Riss!!
It’s ok, South Africa has a colorful flag we can all look at big.
i wanted to say that semi-destroyed part of the film was my favorite part
you me riss & bill morrison. the visibly destroyed comments on the loss occurring. ok, off to have a little weep at the ravages of time on cinema and love
:0 beautiful ^
yeah. it’s one of my absolute fave gorgeous pieces of cinema. he pulls her up out of the destroyed frame! i’m secretly soppy.
lol i won’t tell
@2DearMagpies,
Thanks for Bill Morrison’s Light is Calling. It has everything I search for simply bedded-down in beauty.
watch decasia. it’s become my favorite film
SO pleased i managed to point something nice out.
I had never seen anything like it and looked up Bill Morrison’s other work, this is very affecting to me…
Oxymoron
i enjoy the gibberish
Me too! As one who has put a certain amount of ‘gibberish’ on mubi, I think we are all quite capable of gibberish at times. We all have our own style and approach. I enjoy all the comments from all participants and always find BrotherDeacon’s comments worth the wait.
So, to everyone who is still commenting, keep up the good work. Let’s all chill on that note. Remember, too, that we each see things differently and that applies to every film being voted on in this event. I have been lectured re my own response to certain films and that is just the nature of any event where we compare and contrast different films or styles. Not every film is going to appeal to everyone.
Let’s just get on with the films and present our own views any way we choose. We are each unique and that’s what really can make this more than just a tedious exercise in World Film 101. This isn’t rocket science, just something we all do for the fun of it and to see some different films we would likely not see otherwise.
Let the outrageousness continue from every side. As the Chairman says: “Let a hundred gibberish flowers bloom and let a hundred schools of gibberish contend.”