Animosity Towards Tarantino
agreed!
Yeah, I don’t understand it either…
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because he is seen as mainstream so that is a excuse which is unfortunate
I haven’t seen a single film by him that impressed me even a little bit. Frankly I don’t see why there are so many threads about him on here.
It is a life-cycle issue. In ordered to feel grownup, the young ones need to throw away their toys.
Tarantino is difficult to get rid of though; hence, the threads where people try to convince themselves that he no longer matters – the irony of that being completely lost to them.
Stop this madness!!!
said it before: I give him hassle cause he takes potentially great genre film ideas and makes incredibly dull films out of them filled with talk, talk, talk and little action or finesse.
@ Robert – That may be one of the most spot-on observations I’ve seen on this sight.
It is a life-cycle issue. In ordered to feel grownup, the young ones need to throw away their toys.
Tarantino is difficult to get rid of though; hence, the threads where people try to convince themselves that he no longer matters – the irony of that being completely lost to them.
Yes, that’s it. You figured us all out. I mean it’s incredibly difficult for two people to have the exact same reason for disliking the same thing, but for all the thousands of people that have ever found a disliking towards Tarantino’s films this is the only reason why. That’s it. The end.
I guess that’s why you’re the adult and we’re the kids, right? What a mature response. I seem to remember another one from you about general truths breaking down when one gets to specifics… but that’s so far from my mind right now for some reason…
The question has been answered to the Tarantino fan-boy’s liking. They’re never going to see it as anything other than what Robert classified it as. It doesn’t matter how good or bad a response it is; for them it the only possible answer. So, let’s stop talking about him now that they’ve reached their already foregone conclusion, shall we?
“In ordered to feel grownup, the young ones need to throw away their toys.
Tarantino is difficult to get rid of though; hence, the threads where people try to convince themselves that he no longer matters – the irony of that being completely lost to them.”
That’s certainly true, Robert. However, it’s also working in the opposite direction. Many people who are hanging on to his work seem to have a nagging anxiety about his relative value. Hence, I’m of the impression that if you actually tally the “I hate Tarantino OP threads” vs. the “why do people hate Tarantino OPs” (a sample of which I assume Risselda has linked to above), the “why do” threads actually greatly outnumber the “I hate” threads. Of course the “why do” threads end up sounding like hater threads, but as much as anything, this is directly due to the way the question in those threads is posed.
Here’s my suggestion, Tarantino enthusiasts: instead of phrasing your OPs in a way that solicits only the most polarizing responses, make an argument for the man’s work before you start worrying about what other people think . . . preferably one that references the work directly rather than at the level of generalities. Maybe even limit yourself to the specifics of a specific film.
Anybody with me on this?
(I actually think there’s a lot of interest to be said, even if one doesn’t particularly care for his work, for example about Jackie Brown, which seems in many ways to be the most atypical Tarantino film, and also the film to me to be a dividing point in his career as a writer/director . . . but not by me.)
I can’t understand why someone keeps starting a thread about why there is so much animosity towards Tarantino. I mean, if you can’t look at the guy and see that he has a polarizing personality, then I’m not sure what to make of your intent. It seems pretty apparent that Tarantino wants to get people to either love him or hate him. The same can be said of other directors like von Trier.
http://mubi.com/topics/14353
http://mubi.com/topics/5039
http://mubi.com/topics/2808
http://mubi.com/topics/7593
Amongst MANY others
To summarize these other threads:
People don’t like his films because they don’t think they’re any good.
Matt, with you on this.
Maybe even limit yourself to the specifics of a specific film.
Very with you on this.
Does anyone believe in having an opinion and shutting the hell up? These threads are not going anywhere.
@ Brad S. That may be one of the most spot-on observations I’ve seen on this sight.
@ Dushane It was developed on one of the many threads – it wasn’t necessarily my insight.
@ Matt yeah lets talk about his films.
It was developed on one of the many threads – it wasn’t necessarily my insight.
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It doesn’t matter how good or bad a response it is; for them it the only possible answer. So, let’s stop talking about him now that they’ve reached their already foregone conclusion, shall we?
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Though, in total honesty, I’m not opposed to dissecting singular films. I still doubt it’ll come out as much more than the things people love about his work will be the exact things his detractors dislike about his work (Pierre’s polarizing figure observation is spot-on), but…
It certainly does seem odd to me that for all the people that love him, and posit him as an important figure in the history and evolution of film language I don’t think I’ve seen a single thread about his actual work. It almost always seems to be about him and the unbelievability that not everyone likes him. And yes, the exact same thing is true about his detractors.
Wait — lol! I keep hearing about how these threads about love/hate QT come up and now there’s TWO in the last couple of weeks? Amazing… Mubian zombies…
Quite simply, I can’t understand why people give Tarantino such a hassle
It is incredible that there are people in the world who may hold different opinions to yourself.
The man’s body of work got me interested in film at a young age …
Good for you.
… and he has made an indelible mark on American and world cinema
Sad but true.
His films are some of the most admired ever made …
Hello hyperbole how are you?
and yet there seems to be some sort of agenda to discredit him or call his legitimacy as an artist into question
Agenda? So if people dislike his work and don’t think it deserves the attention it receives, this isn’t allowed? Once again, another sufferer of ‘how could anyone disagree with me?’ syndrome clogs up the forum.
I hear the argument a lot that he steals scenes from movies
I agree this isn’t the best argument against his work.
Most of the films he “steals” from are largely worthless pieces of trash cinema
Largely worthless pieces of trash cinema? Sums up Tarantino’s body of work pretty well.
I think people on this site need to really lighten up …
Pet hate alert! I’m sorry that I, and a few others on here, take art seriously. If you don’t want to take art seriously, fine, but don’t criticise others for applying higher standards.
… and realize there isn’t a certain elitism required to be considered a respected filmmaker of world cinema.
There isn’t?!?! My illusions have been SHATTERED.
Tarantino may be no Fellini, but he’s not trying to be either, and maybe therein lies people’s perception issue with him.
No, sorry. You’ve struck out. It may shock you to realise that people judge Tarantino on his own merits — not his merits in comparison to Fellini, or Tarkovsky, or Bergman, or Bresson, or any other film artist. I don’t dislike the works of Tarantino because he’s not Fellini; I dislike the works of Tarantino because I find them to be shallow and tedious.
Just in case you think your ‘insight’ is a unique contribution that has never been contemplated by us before, look through a few of the links posted in this thread and you’ll realise why I am offering a more condescending response than I probably should.
mubian zombies lol
His behavior in the interviews he gives is obnoxious, boorish, and a major letdown when you expect him to have real insights into cinema, he does the celeb gossip garbage. Maybe he is just to submerged into Holkywood now
Can we put a hold on all Tarantino threads until Django Unchained comes out? Then, like Matt suggested, we’ll have an actual movie to discuss. The rest is subterfuge.
It is a life-cycle issue. In ordered to feel grownup, the young ones need to throw away their toys.
Tarantino is difficult to get rid of though
Haha. Great observation, and I totally agree.
It seems pretty apparent that Tarantino wants to get people to either love him or hate him. The same can be said of other directors like von Trier.
I’m not so sure. He doesn’t strike me as particularly image conscious like von Trier…more just stuck in his geeky, slightly Asperger-y world. He’s probably always had that personality.
It seems pretty apparent that Tarantino wants to get people to either love him or hate him. The same can be said of other directors like von Trier.
QT isn’t the first director to cultivate a public persona and he won’t be the last.
On the … qt… sssshhhh
@Nathan — if you watch his first film that he appears in and made when he was still a nobody, his personality was exactly the same.
I had to post this here, forgive me… (QT being bounced around Mubi, where’s the love)
So he was always annoying? Though I think it’s rather undeniable he has cultivated a persona for the public, and Nathan’s right he’s not the first. Some people like that persona, and some don’t, whether it is really him or not is of incredibly little consequence. Just like with Godard’s persona, just like with Bergman’s, just like with Rossellini’s, just like with Ozu’s… any public figure, of any era, at any time.
If you read the responses from his fans and detractors they prove my point. It’s a non-issue because both sides feel they have an unmovable answer to the question. This general discussion will go nowhere because of that.
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Quite simply, I can’t understand why people give Tarantino such a hassle. The man’s body of work got me interested in film at a young age and he has made an indelible mark on American and world cinema. His films are some of the most admired ever made and yet there seems to be some sort of agenda to discredit him or call his legitimacy as an artist into question. I hear the argument a lot that he stelas scenes from movies. So did Scorsese, Spielberg and even Orson Welles when he made Citizen Kane openly admitted to putting together a series of elements from things he saw on film and in theater for that film. And another thing about QT. Most of the films he “steals” from are largely worthless pieces of trash cinema. Granted, he works in his Demme and Leone references regularly, but the bulk of his references comes from little known kung-fu films, gritty 70’s grindhouse cop dramas and spaghetti westerns that were so unpopular they haven’t yet been released on home video. I think people on this site need to really lighten up and realize there isn’t a certain elitism required to be considered a respected filmmaker of world cinema. Tarantino may be no Fellini, but he’s not trying to be either, and maybe therein lies people’s perception issue with him.