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Annie Hall vs. Star Wars

Will Geisler

about 3 years ago

Should Annie Hall have beaten Star Wars for Best Picture in 1977?

W

Redrum4

about 3 years ago

of course.

Brad S.

about 3 years ago

You know, I love rankings and lists as much as anybody, but if there ever was an “apples and oranges” case, this would be it.

However, if a choice must be made, I go with Star Wars.

Dennis Brian

about 3 years ago

If he hadn’t won (Woody that is) people might not be so apt to say he peaked early
plus he should have won for Manhattan.

Matt Parks

about 3 years ago

Eraserhead has the best of both.

Polaris​DiB

about 3 years ago

Huh, look at that. Annie Hall was a very well-written movie but Star Wars was the game changer. This pairing seems…. .familiar….

—PolarisDiB

NEONBEA​R

about 3 years ago

@Polarisdib what pairing? Hurt locker? I wouldn’t say hurt lockers writing was great. Good, but it’s not what makes the movie like with Annie Hall.

Stephen Prokow

about 3 years ago

“If he hadn’t won (Woody that is) people might not be so apt to say he peaked early”

He peaked early regardless.

And neither should have won is my answer.

HAL 9000

about 3 years ago

I can’t remember where I heard it, but I heard of all the lowest grossing best picture winners in Oscar history, Annie Hall was the lowest.

Nunyna

about 3 years ago

I never liked Annie Hall, though the true best picture of the year was Close Encounters.

Geronim​o

about 3 years ago

The only groundbreaking science fiction film for that time only a few years earlier in 1968 never achieve the best picture category: Kubrick’s “2001 A Space Odyssey”…

Polaris​DiB

about 3 years ago

Re: “Hurt Locker”?

If it’s writing versus technology, then how about A Serious Man? Either way, the precise form is not the comparison I was making, just the feel of technological game-changer versus old-fashioned storytelling, which, yes, The Hurt Locker is in comparison.

“Old fashioned” not meant to be taken literally, is what I mean.

—PolarisDiB

Dennis Brian

about 3 years ago

“He peaked early regardless”

I disagree. Every decade he makes very good films.

I agree: Close Encounters was the best picture that year.

christo​pher sepesy

about 3 years ago

Yes

mcvouty

about 3 years ago

If I were a voter, and given the ballot (Annie Hall, The Goodbye Girl, Julia, Star Wars, The Turning Point), yeah, I would have picked Annie Hall. After I stopped screaming that The Goodbye Girl was nominated.

I still feel the same way, even though I’d rather watch Star Wars 9 times out of 10.

NEONBEA​R

about 3 years ago

i gotcha dib.

an interesting parallel pair up would be Avatar+Star Wars vs. A Serious Man+Annie Hall. I’d watch that fight.

Matt Parks

about 3 years ago

-Close Encounters was the best picture that year-

There are so many good films from ’77. I mentioned Eraserhead already, also:

Altman’s 3 Women
Charles Burnett’s Killer of Sheep
Peter Weir’s The Last Wave
George Romero’s Martin
Scorsese’s New York, New York
David Cronenberg’s Rabid
Herzog’s Stroszek
Dario Argento’s Suspiria
Luis Buñuel That Obscure Object of Desire

. . .

Banana Nut

about 3 years ago

No.

other than what star wars went on to do (we cant see the future so that is not valid) why should have Star wars won?

The Oscars are bullshit anyway … if best picture meant anything, it wouldnt limit its self to “english language”.

There are reasons Woody Allen really didnt give a shit about his Oscar.

greg x

over 2 years ago

For what’s its worth given the five options the voters had to choose from, I think they made the right decision. Was Annie Hall the best film made in the world that year? Probably not, no.

Matt Parks

over 2 years ago

The Turning Point totally got robbed!

Lester Burnham

over 2 years ago

Annie Hall is the movie the critics still talk about, and Star Wars is the movie everybody else still talks about, watches and is an integral part of American pop culture. Of course Star Wars should have won, but the Oscars never pick the right movies for best picture anyway. All about politics and nothing more.

christo​pher sepesy

over 2 years ago

hahaha

Seriously, does anyone nowadays even know what The Turning Point is or what it was all about? Or am I out of the loop and don’t realize that Black Swan is giving it a resurgence?

I think Annie Hall deserves its win, not just for that year but for being one of the best films of the 1970s and, yes, of all time. Star Wars deserves to be in that line-up, as does Close Encounters.

The Goodbye Girl is cute, at best, and really is a travesty that it made it to the list. The Turning Point, too.

Julia, on the other hand, is a really beautiful piece that unfortunately has been forgotten. It should have a resurgence. In it, Fonda and Redgrave do some of the best work of their lives.

For such an amazing decade of American cinema, this is really a weak year. Or, at least it is if judged by these titles, where two of them clearly stick out as not deserving to be there.

Joks

over 2 years ago

The two biggest failures in academy award history:

1.Ordinary People beating Raging Bull. What a joke. who cares about Ordinary People now? Nobody, except for maybe Den ;-)

2.Shakespeare In Love beating Thin Red Line. again, another joke, for generally the same reasons.

Dennis Brian

over 2 years ago

I like Ordinary People as do many people that see it.

I would have given the oscar to The Elephant Man

Thin Red Line likely split votes with Ryan and u dont want to know what I would have picked that year (:

Brad S.

over 2 years ago

Ordinary People is a film that studies the destruction of a family in minute detail. Mary Tyler Moore’s coldness, Timothy Hutton’s confusion and Donald Sutherland’s helplessness are all palpable, as is the sad autumn feel of the film.

Having said that, it is not the timeless stunning masterpiece that Raging Bull is. Having said that, the best picture of 1980 was The Empire Strikes Back (and yes, I’m aware I’m probably the only person on MUBI who thinks this.)

For 1998, I would have gone with The Truman Show. Shakespeare in Love was awfull and even more hated by Shakespeare people than by film people.

Shocked

over 2 years ago

Star Wars was the better film.

Shocked

over 2 years ago

….as was The Empire Strikes Back in 1980.

Garrett​TheImpa​ler

over 2 years ago

What the hell? no love for Annie Hall???