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best film about an unattainable women?

Justin Vicari

almost 4 years ago

But who’s really the unattainable one in In the Mood for Love — the woman or the man?

Ganster

almost 4 years ago

Cet obscur objet du désir is not a direct relation to any other film but source is from Pierre Louÿs

Justin Vicari

almost 4 years ago

Actually, yes, That Obscure Object of Desire is a remake of The Devil is a Woman, which was also based on the same novel.

Ganster

almost 4 years ago

no, it is not Justin. Bunel and Jean-Claude Carrière avoided the film purposely. Same source does not mean remake. I am from eastern europe so I hope i am speaking correct to you.

Justin Vicari

almost 4 years ago

I don’t mean “remake” in the Hollywood sense of being formulaic. The films are very different, but it’s fun and illuminating to compare them, I think, and von Sternberg certainly got there first.

MDB

almost 4 years ago

I will throw in the Harold Ramis Bedazzled

Jessup

almost 4 years ago

Chris Marker’s La jetée, apparently influenced by the aforementioned Vertigo

MovieFr​eak4702

almost 4 years ago

Showgirls.

No one can attain Nomi.

No one.

César

almost 4 years ago

I can’t believe nobody’s mentioned Vertigo! The ultimate movie about an unattainable woman! Madeleine is forever tortured and out of touch with reality and Scottie loses her before he can decipher the workings of her mind.

César

almost 4 years ago

My bad somebody did mention Vertigo before…. hehe

Napoleo​n Blownap​art

almost 4 years ago

Vertigo, for sure.

This may be stretching the premise, but how about Rebecca?

Giacomo Vezzoli

almost 4 years ago

Der Blaue Engel by Joseph Von Sternberg with Marlene Dietrich.

sushi

almost 4 years ago

I think Wong Kar Wai’s In the Mood for Love is great movie of the kind

Marissa C

almost 4 years ago

Denniszen, I would classify Kim Novak in Vertigo as an unattainable woman for all the reasons that Cesar mentioned, and the fact that the Madeline Scottie becomes obsessed with isn’t real, therefore he can’t have her.

Harry Long

almost 4 years ago

I don’t suppose THE KILLING OF SISTER GEORGE counts …

Doinel

almost 4 years ago

The Third Man. That ending defines unattainable.

arjen

almost 4 years ago

yeah wong kar wai, but in the mood for love is not the only one in that trilogy and so are more of his films that share this same theme. chuncking express is a good example, but then the other way around. she already lives in his apartment.

movies starring rena tanaka (the early ones) come to mind also. she often seems to play that girl that knows that she does not need any one else in her life.

Mike Spence

almost 4 years ago

@Doinel
Harry Lime attained her, i’m guessing :)

Anubhav Bist

almost 4 years ago

Thank you to the people finally said Vertigo. My selection would be Solaris, a film that shares alot of the same themes of Vertigo.

Justin Vicari

almost 4 years ago

I have to disagree with Solaris — the woman is dead, yes, and therefore unattainable, but she was rejected by the man, who seems to want to drive her out of his mind. Now he can’t completely do this. But I think the power dynamic in the relationship is clear, from how emotionally bruised and battered the dead woman is. It’s the astronaut/scientist who has made himself unattainable.

And yes, Wong usually has a balance of unattainable women and unattainable men — someone is always unattainable, but the man that longs for an unattainable woman may be some other woman’s unattainable man (as in Fallen Angels and Chung-King Express and Ashes of Time). Wong is sort of the “bisexual director” par excellence (in sensibility anyway) in that he always views love relationships from both sides.

We should also mention some early Godard, including Breathless, Le Petit Soldat, and Contempt. And isn’t The Passion of Joan of Arc one of the ultimate films about an unattainable woman, in that her devotion to God puts her so completely beyond the reach of earthly men and their laws?

Daniel Kasman

-moderator-
almost 4 years ago

All Godard movies?

cutey-c​at

almost 4 years ago

I’m gonna co-sign This Sporting Life, just because given the cursory reflection that I can afford to in between tasks at work, I can’t think of many movies where the “unattainability” (or whatever) of the female figure isn’t presented as some sort of game, albeit one lacking the instructions. This Sporting Life never feels like a game (although the actual games in it manage to serve as some sort of brutal and cathartic vacation from the Sisyphean labor of emotion) — it feels like a guy ramming his skull into a brick wall until it bleeds, and the woman he’s doing it to impress hating him for it. Now that’s failing to attain a woman.

Justin Vicari

almost 4 years ago

Daniel, I was going to say more Godard, but I’m not so sure — Karina is clearly rescued by the strong hero in Alphaville, and the women in My Life to Live and 2 or 3 Things are clearly so powerless in terms of their social position. In Band of Outsiders Karina is also very little-girlish and totally at the mercy of the men.

“Unknowable” women — yes, I think Godard is always speaking to that theme. Such as it is.

But here’s an interesting question which this topic raises — does the unattainable one suffer from being unattained/unattainable?

Robert Apodaca

almost 4 years ago

If they count Annie Hall and Breakfast at Tiffany’s

I would say Casion, but she is very attainable and easy……..all you need is money and drugs.

Persona​/ Anima

almost 4 years ago

Sharon Stone’s character in “Casino.” Not sure why DeNiro’s character wanted to “attain” her so badly in the film, especially after all she did to him.

VIVANTE

almost 4 years ago

For me, Roman Holiday. The Princess (Hepburn) wants to be attainable and the audience wants her to be attainable, but she just can’t be attained.

Kenrick Block

almost 4 years ago

First off, great question. Secondly – 2046 has got to be up there for me

Mark Thimija​n

almost 4 years ago

This is a topic very close to me and I even made my own movie on the subject. It’s called “Barstool Cowboy” and it’s available if you want to check it out.

siriusd​an

almost 4 years ago

i have to agree with in the mood for love and in that effect most of wkw’s works. also the movie malena comes to mind. i have to watch it again though for it’s been years since i saw this film. i just kind of remember the boy lusting/loving malena from a distance.

peter smith

almost 4 years ago

this is totally rolling the dice here but what about…..“The Piano Teacher”