Have at it, Anglos and Americans, and whoever else.
How about Americans who went to bars at 5 AM to watch the Royal Wedding?
At least the Brits got a fun posh ceremony.
Birthers get Orly Taitz on the Chris O’Donnell show, sort of like banging our head on the wall because it feels good when you stop.
Well I am neither Anglo or American and I would have to say Birthers are the bigger moron. English people enthralled with princes and princesses, seems a little more harmless to me than narrow minded bigots who haven’t got anything better to do with their time than trying to always find ways to pick holes and obstruct a democratically elected President trying to get on with his job.
it’s a close call
Brits who camped outside for the royal wedding are the worse of the two options. It’s not even close.
You can ridicule folks trying to look for faults in Obama’s presidency all you want. But at least these people are concerned about politics, and they have a problem with Obama. You can’t blame them for looking for things that shall invalidate his presidency. It’s not different to the anti-Dubbya brigade questioning the legitimacy of the vote count in Florida. Perhaps it’s a futile quest, but it’s futility borne of political concern.
The royalist die-hards, on the other hand, are making a huge fuss over something that is outdated, ridiculous, overrated, celebrates avarice and snooty social superiority. The Americans questioning Obama’s birthplace are at least quibbling over things that may matter. Nobody particularly should give a damn about Chuck’s kid getting hitched to some silly British slapper dressed up in an overpriced wedding dress. And the fact that the royals think we SHOULD give a damn about them, anymore than they’d give a damn about us, is a blatant insult.
The anti-Obama crew at least has something of an interest in politics. Imbeciles camping out for the royal wedding are being distracted from the real problems of the world by some stupid little “look at us” circus put on by clowns born into money and prestige. All this happens just after the anniversary of Chernobyl Day, too. Given the recent problems in Japan, the 25-year anniversary of Chernobyl Day should’ve been given blanket coverage in the media. But this is our world—we don’t care about the important stuff. We’re distracted much too easily by the pompousness of the idiot royals and their pathetic little ceremonies.
Say what you will about the French, the Americans and the Russians, but they wouldn’t stand for any of this bullshit. Although one must laugh at the Yanks who celebrate 4th of July, only to be in a bar at 5am watching the royal wedding. Now THOSE are the biggest clowns of them all.
People being distracted by fantasy v people being distracted by reality. Which is which? I know which is more destructive.
“Perhaps it’s a futile quest, but it’s futility borne of political concern.”
If that’s the kind of politically concerned people you like in The US of A then you can keep them. Those guys are not politically engaged. They are disengaged zombies crowding round in clumps dribbling blood from their mouths. They do what their media tells them to do. Morons is putting it lightly.
Still every country has their morons and idiots. Personally, I am somewhere in between – a morodiot.
@MARK V- “Brits who camped outside for the royal wedding are the worse of the two options. It’s not even close.”
I suspect you haven’t had any encounter with these “birthers”.
The Royal Family will always exist. There isn’t much you can do about it.
and people wonder why many Hawaiians want to secede
p.s. for anyone still confused..Hawaii became a state on August 21, 1959… his mother gave birth to him on August 4,1961, at Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Hawaii.
Birthers. Talk about idiotic. What a bunch of racists. I’d tolerate the sentimental royalists any day over rabid racists.
I can’t even fathom a scale upon which I could grade the two parties. I do know however that the people that freaked out over the Royal wedding got on my nerves significantly less than the birthers.
I live in texas… people I know will still be using the birther excuse until Obama is dead, now they are just angry he waited this long to produce it.
Ehh, people all over the world camp out for various sorts of parades (or thing similar to parades) all the time. The Royal Wedding isn’t any different.
LOL at Mark V. So you’re saying that petty racists are worse than people enjoying a fairy harmless wedding? Not a fan of the monarchy, but lumping them in with the birthers is idiotic.
Strange politics vs outdated political ceremony……..I kind of agree that at least the “birthers” are talking politics. For every “birther” i have met, i’ve met a “leftist liberal” who blindly follows everything the Democratic party throws at them. The old adage in politics is “The noisy wheel gets the oil.” “Birthers” are a small percentage of people who have nothing better to do than yell about an issue. They make up at the most %3-%5 of voters according to most polls. Politics is not won by the minority, but the press loves to keep a good issue in the forefront for their “objective” coverage. In ten years, no one will remember that his birth certificate was even an issue, but some obscure thing will enamor the same people whether they are on the right or left.
On the other hand, I just dont understand people who get all worked up for a wedding of two people who really have nothing to do with anything. But, even if 10 million people had camped out for the wedding it would only be about %2 of the whole population of the UK. The majority of people in the UK hung out with friends for the day and probably didnt get that worked up over the wedding.
So, to sum up…I find both groups to be losers. Come on people, come back to reality from your picket lines and tents.
@ Blue K:
My moron’s bigger than yours.
nothing wrong with going to bars at 5am.
Guys would do best to watch the royal wedding with their ladies, these ceremonies work better than ecstacy
The anti-Obama crew at least has something of an interest in politics.
No they don’t. Their interest is solely aberrant of any political discourse or thought. It is only focused on not accepting a legitimate president as such (something these same people had no problem doing when George Bush literally stole Florida in 2000). And only built upon the colour of his skin.
For every “birther” i have met, i’ve met a “leftist liberal” who blindly follows everything the Democratic party throws at them.
Being a hateful racist is a little worse than a liberal that follows everything the democratic party does.
The fact that 3-5% of the population of a party drove their conversation for over two years is telling in how extremist and out of touch that party has become. It’s sickening.
Being in south Texas you tend not to take their rampant, disgusting, and constant hatred as lightly as you might in another state, though…
““Birthers” are a small percentage of people who have nothing better to do than yell about an issue. They make up at the most %3-%5 of voters according to most polls.”
Last August a national survey by the Pew Research Center finds that “nearly one-in-five Americans (18%) now say Obama is a Muslim, up from 11% in March 2009. Only about one-third of adults (34%) say Obama is a Christian, down sharply from 48% in 2009. Fully 43% say they do not know what Obama’s religion is.”
Obama won the popular 52.9% to 45.7%, a difference of only 7.2%
So just to put this in perspective, even if one is arguing that “birthers” and people who believe Obama is a “secret Muslim” are just the lunatic fringe of American politics in terms of percentage, it takes very little to completely reverse the course of a presidential election.
In other words, you can’t dismiss a few percent as insignificant,and therefore not dangerous, because the popular vote is typically won by only few percentage points.
The 2000 Florida recount is not comparable to the birther lie.
I believe that more people in Florida intended to vote for Al Gore than George Bush. Florida was conducting a recount, and the United States Supreme Court stopped it, which decided the election in George Bush’s favor. The Court indicated that its opinion was not precedential and would only apply to this case. The reason that the Court indicated this was simply because its majority was only interested in deciding this election, not in applying the equal protection rights that the decision was ostensibly based on to other elections. Logically, if the possibility of ballots being interpreted differently in different counties of a state is an equal protection violation, the fact that some counties (or even other states) used a different method of voting not subject to the same ambiguities would also be an equal protection violation. The US permits states to run their own elections, but in this case the result was not determined by the state, but by the majority of the US Supreme Court. We don’t know for sure who would have won if Florida had been permitted to conduct its recount, as it should have been permitted to, but in the long run, the reputation of the Supreme Court was more damaged that the reputation of President Bush.
Barak Obama was elected President in a relative landslide. No one who is sane and is not totally ignorant could believe the birther argument. The birthers keep producing fake birth certificates for the President, and when the next one is exposed as fake, they shift to ridiculous arguments such as whether he renounced his citizenship as a child or whether the child of a non-American citizen is eligible for the presidency, until they can come up with another fake birth certificate. The birthers are not seriously questioning the legitimacy of the election, they are just creating false justifications for the anger of Obama’s opponents at their defeat in the election, and trying to use racial animosities to their political advantage. The birther movement ultimately is driven by the idea that someone who looks like Barak Obama cannot legitimately be President.
Thw wedding is mostly harmless, not really different than the many other instances of obsession with celebrity culture in our world. If the British want to waste their money and time on their aristocracy, it’s their right to do so. It would be better if more people paid more attention to things that actually affect their lives like politics, the economy and energy policy, but we can’t make them do that. We’re all spending some of our time here instead of on the future on the world, after all.
Gore won the election, but for the Republican majority in the supreme court stopping a fair count; the majority vote was defeated, which is hardly an ideal democracy.
The birthers are rabid racists and far from harmless. Such people seem to have clout way above their numbers, and the powerful Republican media manage to manipulate public opinion to believe in all sorts of nonsense
The British royalists may have sentimental and “patriotic” willingness to be led down that line, a need for some romantic notions of what in practice perpetuates abhorrent class system and inequality- but the wedding was successfully promoted worldwide by the media and dominated various channels. BBC “world” news was totally given over to it. A figure of 2 billion viewers was cited beforehand and repeated as fact. That is a (very doubtful) high percentage of the world population.
In all 3 cases we have had the right wing media playing a vital role.
I still vote for American’s who got up at 5am (or earlier, depending on time zone) to watch the Royal Wedding. Mark is right: didn’t we fight the Revolutionary War so that we could get away from that sort of thing?
Camping out for the royal wedding doesn’t qualify as"moronic". Would I do it? No, but that doesn’t make them stupid(maybe a bit overly obsessive/patriotic). As for the Birthers, yeah it’s pretty fucking dumb(excuse my language).
Oh guys, the people who got up to watch a wedding didn’t harm anyone. The birthers are totally poison. I mean, do they REALLY think that they don’t check such things when someone is about to become President? It is a racist movement, and therefore despicable and harmful.
You really can’t even compare the two. What’s the next question, the people who got up to watch the wedding or the KKK? Come on. Get real.
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why don’t obama just give hawaii it’s independence
nationalism is incredibly harmful, odilonvert..
No, moderate nationalism is perfectly fine. Your viewpoint is prevalent amongst people I know, and I don’t quite get it. It seems like an extremist reaction to WWI/WWII era politics( nazism etc.) Do you reject familial love because of clashes between families?