Ha Ha Ha Sonny, you put yourself through a lot of work.
I would say my tastes are diverse and you are a self important ass.
Coltrane pedestrian! Ha Ha Ha
The man was at the head of the avant garde movement in jazz.
My comment about you not liking melody must have struck deep!
As for Beethoven I think I have heard other people say things about him! I’ve listened to thousands of hours of his music and read many books about his life and music and formed my own opinion.
Yet another emotional idiot that has to lash out because they have no control to be able to rationally discuss a subject.
Musicologist! So what.
Steve and Sonny—I moderated you guys for calling each other names. Why do I feel like my daughter’s 3rd grade teacher?
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There is no work involved in discussing music with you, that is not my idea of hard work.
How am I to know if your tastes are diverse? I’m just going on your posts which are certainly not diverse if that is what you are aiming for. I should do a list of every musician or composer who I admire, it would be a handful but it might make things simpler.
Let’s go back to your provocative first post.
If you don’t like Tchaikovsky, you don’t like melody.
Who is the emotional idiot kicking up a storm and lashing out with facts here?
Going through your posts, most of which conveniently fall in the meaningless absurdity thread, consist of one line appraisals, which is something I try to avoid. It is not clear to me that English is your first language? Can you even string together a coherent sentence? Do you want to talk about Tchaikovsky or how many other Russian composers you can name? There’s already classical music threads on here for you to go and do that should you wish.
The man was at the head of the avant garde movement in jazz.
Yes. And who else? He did not operate in a vacuum. I remember as a very young boy when I first discovered Cinematic Orchestra. I thought it was wonderful music. Then a year later I discovered Alice Coltrane and came to terms with what I had heard before was a poor pastiche. A year later, I devoured Jazz more comprehensively and eventually somehow grew out of listening to it. I’m not a massive jazz fan and so do not spend all of the time listening to it and hunting down obscure recordings anymore, let’s face it, combined with Jimmy Scott it is pedestrian. It only constitutes vapid babble. Nothing constructive.
My comment about you not liking melody must have struck deep!
I did not take it as an insult. It was just a bit terse for my liking. If I would have gone to your profile and seen that you had already discussed music here, it would have given me a little more perspective.
As for Beethoven I think I have heard other people say things about him! I’ve listened to thousands of hours of his music and read many books about his life and music and formed my own opinion.
Yes. Exactly. Listening to Beethoven, say for example his Pastoral Symphony, for the first time is like being hit by lightning.
Yet another emotional idiot that has to lash out because they have no control to be able to rationally discuss a subject.
Musicologist! So what.
I have given you a rational answer based on what I have to go on. I’m not into these things like suppressed emotions.
Thank you HOL for your moderation.
“The Ramones”- You don’t know the first thing about punk music"
Sonny, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. so why comment.
The Ramones played in London in 1976 and influenced the early english punk bands to form, such as The Sex Pistols and The Clash. That’s punk 101, Musicologist.
It’s a fact that Tchaikovsky’s melodies are some of the most well known/beloved in the world, not just in the realm of serious music. You say you didn’t take my comment about melody as an insult, and it was just an observation, yet your tone has been nothing but insulting.
IT’S JIMMY SMITH! NOT SCOTT! musicologist.
Jimmy Scott has a nice voice:)
Damn, this thread has taken a detour. Sorry.
Yeah, well Jimmy Smith, Lonnie Smith, Jimmy Scott. They are all PEDESTRIAN.
You are soooo above it all aren’t you.
Shit, Mubi messed up and lists this thread as ‘Black Swan discussion time’ — lol wtf
Remind me never to become a musicologist.
You become a musicologist from experiencing long durations of profound loneliness. Let’s say five years spent in near isolation with very minimum contact with other humans. You start to require a need for adequate sounds that would not be emited from your television screen. But let’s face it, I’m not a composer.
This being a movie forum I should try not to derail the discussion away from what is essential. It’s not the kind of film that is most dissected here but incase anybody still wants to discuss more technical aspects of this somewhat middling film, I’m not into making grand statements so treat what I saw here with necessary caution, but it’s possible to make some observations pertaining more widely to cinema.
I have read through this thread already to see what has been already discussed.
In a way, the music was a clue to how the film was marketed. If you listened carefully, you could hear, as it drew nearer up to the lesbian sex scene, there was a crescendo intended to raise the audiences heartbeat and blood pressure in excitement for what they were about to see. And this links into the use of close ups and the selection of actresses too. I don’t go for close ups in films.
One more thing about BS – in its editing, it has a rhythmical expressiveness which I admire, but it is not my kind of movie where the aesthetics are made in the editing room. I prefer to see the aesthetics in the scene itself and not implanted into the scene from extraneous origins. Not always true.
Christopher Nolan, for example, I have saw his movie Inception, he appears to edit his films to death and somehow it works for him because he is dealing with a more awesome and deep ploughing archetypes gathered from wider sources, even if I do not like some elements of his films, which I would have to see more of in order to discuss in more detail. It leaps and attacks you from the cinema screen.
From what I’ve seen, Aronofsky does not deal with things, for example, things like Wrestling that do interest me per se. Somewhere out there in the blogosphere people have correctly identified it’s genre tropes and have been doing all kinds of Freudian analysis and comparisons with Dosteovsky’s, The Double. There is also some crazy gender politics at work here. One essay which caught my eyes made a comparison with Michael Haneke’s film, Code Unknown, a film which I do not remember very well, so I don’t know how much truth there is in this. It was something obscure to do with people trying to come to terms with a society where there exists a gross distortion of beauty and a wish to escape into a world of fantasy.
I still see no reason to watch this movie instead of a performance of Swan Lake which I don’t like in the first place.
I apologize to you all for my ridiculous posts in this thread.
Well it can get very heated in these virtual worlds and online conversations so take what I say with a pair of pliers. It might have seemed like I replied to you in a dismissive way but it is not your ridiculous posts in this thread, more that all of your posts are one line appraisals of something. That isn’t something I go for. I should have read it less literally. I want to read posts by thinking people, travellers on foot, not online personas or lists because that does not get anybody anywhere.
Perhaps I should have been less terse in my original dismissal of the film, but I am very distrusting of art in general, not least the movie industry. I actually think that is all completely insane and not an adequate representation of what is around us. It is not adequate iconography.
I’m not a minister and in no way have I grown vertically above it all. For example, I can see the is some relative merit in what I have seen of Christopher Nolans films, even if they are regularly shot down in some quarters.
My appreciation of film and art is actually rather limited in comparison to the volumes that get made.
Music is a different matter and I’m more open to hearing absolutely everything. For example, a discussion of Swan Lake would be more appropriate here, but it has barely been touched on in what, nine pages of text.
The only thing I remember of interest about the ballet portion was that at some point it was significantly changed for the better, I think, from the original performances to better fit the music. I’d have to do some reading to be more specific. Maybe someone else knows more detail about that.
I stronly advise to watch Rudolf Nureyev and Margot Fonteyn together before talking about Black Swan and rating with several stars. I am sure you will find their few performances.
http://www.nureyev.org/biographie_kirov.php
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