Which are better and more deserving?
Awards are meaningless.
i have all-time favorites among both so i dont know. its a way too generalized question.
I’m with CAZ. Way too much importance is given to awards, especially the ones whose results are so blatantly dubious year after year. Ego-stroking popularity contests that are used as marketing opportunities.
Actors (Halley Barry comes to mind) that get themselves so worked up when they win—I guess because they think they’ve actually done something phenomenal—have always made me a little sick.
I like film festivals because they can generate buzz from films that might otherwise slip under the radar, but awards are meaningless. Very true.
I will be happier when no one talks about what film won what award or about how 2001: A Space Odyssey got ripped off by the Academy when Oliver! won Best Picture instead. Like CAZ says “Awards are meaningless.”
The Oscars are relatively meaningless at this point. They have never really picked the films that stand the test of time, and have never took any risks. Most of what they are concerned about is the box office recipts.
i respectfully disagree Nathan, only about the part when you said they never pick films that stand the test of time the rest is true, although the Academy makes a crap load of stupid decisions. They did pick The Godfather, Casablanca, and Lawrence of Arabia. I also forgot The last emperor
Cannes by far
Same if I asked Canners or Césars, Cannes or Goyas, etc.
Cannes of course. Oscars are for US films.
An oscar will bring more cash for your next production…a Palme d’or will bring you respect from a Jury of masters…
the oscars are a weird thing in my opinion, they give awards to films that have been made in a particular amount of time by a particular industry. I mean, the oscars are a very closed circle, while cannes in the other hand, is an international festival, where there is a larger diversity. there is a huge difference between a festival and a.., I don’t know, award-giving-ceremony.
I love films that have won the Oscar and also films that have won the Palm d’or, but what I like about cannes is that it is much more international.
Mikel, have you seen some of the jury members? They’re definitely not masters and some of them are very political and biased.
I’d side with Cannes simply because the films are from all over the world and will, in turn, show life from many different view points. They also tend to get more interesting films.
That being said, I cannot deny that it would be tight as hell to win an oscar.
I might think that the awards are, in a sense, “meaningless,” but that doesn’t mean that I don’t pay attention to them. Frankly, when it comes down to it, I think that Cannes is more important, but they have a way of getting it wrong, too, and so it really is just completely down to the viewer.
“That being said, I cannot deny that it would be tight as hell to win an oscar.”
only if you work in bloody U.S. films,am i correct? ;)
“They’re definitely not masters and some of them are very political and biased.”
i’d definitely take a rather biased author instead of a fuckin’ producer….
“Mikel, have you seen some of the jury members? They’re definitely not masters and some of them are very political and biased”
@Francis, Oscars are selected by the Academy of Motion pictures and Sciences. To be able to vote you have to be invited by the Board of Governors (always the same people) in conjunction with the Hollywood Press asociation. When it comes to HPA is one of the weirdest ways of voting for a contender. Their criteria is not about filmmaking. I think that through out Oscar history you can tell that there are certain topics and genres that are more popular than others. But Cannes is about filmmaking and the art of creation. This past ceremony of Cannes had Nuri Bilge Ceylan, Chang-dong LEE, Hanif KUREISHI and James Gray as a jury. Every year they have a different Jury.
Is this the jury that you finf very political and Biased? To me, theyre masters.
You got it Dimitris…
I agree with CAZ and Josh R. that awards are meaningless but I imagine I would prefer a Cannes winners boxset over an Oscar winners boxset.
Awards are very meaningful.
Winning an Oscar (or even a nomination) means that particular film will attract more audience and it gives a huge boost to the careers of those who worked in those films. Quite a few Oscar winners have not been mere crowd pleasers (and there are people who think that Oscars should be awarded to films that are crowd pleasers instead of some ‘mid-brow’ film that various guild members consider to be ‘socially relevant’ or ‘well-made’).
There is nothing wrong with the winners of certain categories being emotional either. Being appreciated by peers is not an insignificant achievement.
Cannes (and other festivals) are completely different beasts. The films that enter the festivals have certain requirements that are in a way more restrictive than Oscars. Basically, you should have your film ready at the time these festivals are accepting submissions (so films that have been previously exhibited may not be accepted for certain festivals).
Also, those who give the awards at festivals usually represent viewers than movie-industry insiders so the winners tend to be different too. But, just like with Oscars, winning an award means a lot. A film that wins Palme d’or, for example, would have an easier time getting distribution and the filmmakers have a better chance of getting funding for their next project. Even being chosen as an official selection for a major film festival would open more doors for a film since it means that has already has passed a significant (critical) filter…
What I meant was I, personally, do not look to see the number of awards a film has, no matter where they won them, to decide whether I want to see it.
I don’t think the vast majority of my favourite films have won any awards… but I would have no idea if they did or didn’t.
Of course winning an award is meaningful in terms of getting distribution (if at a festival), and recognition (if at an award’s show), but I don’t care one way or the other.
Unforgiven = Barton Fink as far as I’m concerned.
CAZ’s point is right on. But I will say this—if you want some really innovative daring cinema, then look at Locarno winners. I’m sure Locarno has its share of politicking as well, but they really do go out of their to feature and reward good films from previously unknown filmmakers.
I meant that the awards do not prove that the films are “better or more deserving” of my viewing pleasure. Basically what CAZ just said.
I wasn’t criticizing CAZ. It was a general comment. We don’t always appreciate how difficult it is for a film to gain attention and awards, festival nominations and top 10 lists are not something to be sneered at…
Anyway, I haven’t answered the original question. I haven’t seen most of the recent Oscar winners but if a film wins an award at Cannes (or gets chosen for a prestigious festival like NYFF), it is highly likely that I would seek out that film…