My lack of participation in the second half of R3 was mainly due to the lack of links provided in a decent amount of time prior to the films match. I really don’t like watching one of the two or both films of a match the day of or within the couple of days of the match. If the links are up at least a week before the match, I think it’d be much easier to make time to fit them in at some point. And if the links for the films are primarily streaming links, I think that would help quite a bit too, I know it would help me.
The easy answer to that is ‘lighter schedule’.
Thus also less managers right?
A more relaxed schedule, less managers, clearer announcements, maybe decide on the rules before the competition starts (i’m sure i’m not the only one but i had no idea who was going through or what was going on so i kind of lost interest in Round 3), more streaming links…
Well it was difficult because Cecil was supposed to be in charge but he must have got too busy and was kind of delegating things to people or assuming other people would take over. That’s why a lot of things were unclear.
The streaming links were up to the managers to provide. Do you think we should designate this to some specific people instead next time?
Well it seems like some people are much more competent in uploading and finding some of the more difficult to obtain films so maybe it’s not a bad idea. I know I like participating, but I have no experience of how to upload stuff. I can click a link and if it works it works, if it doesn’t then forget it.
“The streaming links were up to the managers to provide.”
Seriously, did anyone mention this until now?
Well I’m pretty sure it was quite explicit for the first Directors Cup. In the intro thread to the 2011 Director’s Cup I found this:
- Uploading. All the films that are to be watched must be readily available and with many of them currently unavailable or hard to get hold of on dvd this means that we need people to upload the films onto streaming sites such as vimeo or youtube.
Wouldn’t you want as a manager for your film to be available??? If there is no streaming link up for your film, wouldn’t a manager want to either put one up themselves or ask someone who is more knowledgable to do it for them?
I would, yes. But I didn’t know it was my responsibility, as Reed’s manager, to provide links to his films – there’s nothing about it in the original post here. If anyone needs help with links, just message me ;)
Well you weren’t required to provide streaming links, just make sure it was available to people who were on SMz or KG if it wasn’t on DVD. But if you wanted other people to have access to it on streaming you shouldn’t have depended on someone else to provide that by default.
“Well you weren’t required to provide streaming links”
“The streaming links were up to the managers to provide.”
And I just wondered why it was never announced, that’s all.
“A more relaxed schedule, less managers, clearer announcements, maybe decide on the rules before the competition starts (i’m sure i’m not the only one but i had no idea who was going through or what was going on so i kind of lost interest in Round 3), more streaming links…”
Yes.
So as far as I can tell, Cecil is not going to be running any cups next year. At least he hasn’t expressed that he would and he seems too busy already to handle this one very well. I myself am feeling too burned out for now and don’t want to commit much at this time.
We’ve got a lot of ideas going around for how the cup should work next year, one of them being clear rules being posted. This would require someone committed to making sure everything is clear and happening the way it was planned. Is there anyone who is looking to administer one of these cups next year?
I will be happy to post the matches, like I did for the first two rounds this year, but as far as Administering the Cup, not sure what all that entails.
If you are running it, it entails whatever you want it to!
I suppose I could take a shot at it, with rights of first refusal to Cecil, of course.
I would need help with stats (Shaka and Daffy seem to be willing to help in this arena) as well as posting the links to the blog, but I can certainly post the rules and the matches and be available to answer questions and keep things moving along smoothly.
I’m definitely recommending we start with half the number of directors. Someone above had suggested this before and it seems like many agree that it’s a good idea.
“So as far as I can tell, Cecil is not going to be running any cups next year. At least he hasn’t expressed that he would and he seems too busy already to handle this one very well.”
I will definitely not be running any cups next year. I have some small portion of sanity left after all :P You lot can do whatever you want regarding next year…
So let’s start discussing format and timing.
Next years Cup has been proposed to be a genre Cup. If we halve the number of matches by limiting the number of genres allowed, I’m betting we have more consistently high participation throughout.
I still like being able to showcase multiple films in each genre before elimination.
I also think managerial participation should be allotted first by previous participation, then by enthusiasm to manage in the future.
The next Cup could start in April, with decent breaks in between rounds (at least two weeks if not more).
All of this is up for discussion, so lets here everyone’s thoughts.
Instead of genres, I’d rather do a technicians cup.
specifically, a cinematographers cup; I think it would be more interesting to focus on one specific aspect of a film, rather than generically judging a film as a whole (as happens with directors cups—wherein the director is often credited at the expense of the rest of the company). It would also avoid the perils of certain films being used again, since if they were chosen, the focus would be solely on the cinematography (or editing, or score, or whichever technician is chosen) and the discussion would be more focussed and less-redundant.
also, I sense determining a films genre will become rather nebulous, and the whole enterprise will become flabby and inarticulate. a genre cup would be just asking for a headache.
Genre is a loose term as we’ve been using it here—i’d be managing Horror Films from US from 1970 to 1980.
No need for headaches.
you don’t find that to be broad and generic?
I think it sounds like fun. I’d have fun with a technician’s Cup, too, so lets see what everyone wants to do.
I vote genre.
Has anybody thought more about a team cup? It’s was mentioned a while back and I thought it sounded like fun, especially for a genre cup. There could be something like three people on a team for a specific genre and to make it more fun, the genres could be already selected and each team will randomly be assigned a genre and that team will make their choices accordingly. If not teams, I think that randomly assigned genre is a pretty great idea too.
I probably wouldn’t participate in a technicians’ cup, I’m not too interested in judging only one aspect of a film.
And I don’t think that randomly assigned genre is a good idea, what is fun about the cup is that we want the others to discover something we like.
I vote for a normal genre cup.
genre cup (as long as I can have race films)
genre cup
I would need help with stats (Shaka and Daffy seem to be willing to help in this arena) as well as posting the links to the blog, but I can certainly post the rules and the matches and be available to answer questions and keep things moving along smoothly.
I would certainly be willing to help you or anyone else who heads it up to a certain extent as I’m available, I just can’t make any definite commitments though.
Genre cup. Dibs on Westerns. Also down for the team format. We could even run it like the world cup and have the team select 3-4 films and run against 3-4 films from another team. Then people can vote in however many pairings inside the matchup they like.
specifically, a cinematographers cup; I think it would be more interesting to focus on one specific aspect of a film, rather than generically judging a film as a whole (as happens with directors cups—wherein the director is often credited at the expense of the rest of the company). It would also avoid the perils of certain films being used again, since if they were chosen, the focus would be solely on the cinematography (or editing, or score, or whichever technician is chosen) and the discussion would be more focussed and less-redundant.
I certainly can see the appeal in that, and wouldn’t want to dissuade anyone from making and participating in a cup like that. For me personally I’d be interested in it to some extent, although the way I look at things I am always tempted to not judge a film by certain parts, because I feel like each aspect of the film should serve the other parts and if other parts are failing it will be more difficult to recognize the quality of the part we are investigating. Conversely if other parts are supurb but the part we are looking at is lacking I may still be apt to give it more regard than it is really due.
also, I sense determining a films genre will become rather nebulous, and the whole enterprise will become flabby and inarticulate. a genre cup would be just asking for a headache.
But RUS, how often did you actually leave articulate comments regarding your votes in this cup? How often did you engage in the discussions about the films? Is the reason you didn’t participate in that way because you felt like the director focus of this cup was too nebulous to comment?
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The easy answer to that is ‘lighter schedule’.
and….come and install broadband in my street that doesn’t appear to run through degraded catgut.
but more what jirin said.