Vivre sa vie
Lets try to get to 50 votes
-from what has happened so far it is clear for whatever reason the more successful film makers are passing through-
Bartas defeated Kiarostami
Khoo defeated von Trier
Vlacil is leading Wajda
I think that’s a pretty significant percentage of the “less successful” filmmaker winning in the first round so far.
Godard’s Vivre sa Vie (1) – Pintille’s Reconstruction (0)
wow, oddly these two films meet on the first stage, thoug I pick Godard, I won’t stop looking and watching Pintille’s other films. It’s always so hard when I have to vote against one of my all time fave.
Just realised the voting for this one closes tomorrow. Wonderful! I’m having a hard time with this one, need a re-watch and more time to think it through.
I have The Oak and Niki and Flo bookmarked, if that helps.
Since I’ve berated Adam for his choice of Antichrist (for other reasons than a “safe” pick), let me defend him this time and say that Stroszek wasn’t an obvious pick by any means. And if that is any indication, we might just have Fata Morgana or Little Dieter Needs to Fly.
“Bartas defeated Kiarostami
Vlacil is leading Wajda"
technically, both film choices for these directors can be considered “lesser-known” Matt, so the argument of one director being more popular than the other negates your argument. the major upset so far has been that of Khoo’s and only.
Kiarostami is pretty damn well known. I have seen his films and seen him talked about on this site.
He might not be well known to the general population (neither is Godard) but he is on this site.
Yeah, and that was Kiarostami’s “breakthrough” film.
-both film choices for these directors can be considered “lesser-known” Matt-
Yes, but Cyclo’s contention was that the “more successful film makers” (not the more successful film). If we’re alleging bias, let’s make up our minds whether it’s based on the films matched-up or on the filmmakers matched-up.
“Kiarostami is pretty damn well known. I have seen his films and seen him talked about on this site.”
i didn’t say anything against Kiarostami’s popularity but it would have been a major difference if there was a Taste of Cherry or Ten against The Corridor, Friend’s Home isn’t as popular as the ones i mentioned. (breakthrough or not)
I actually don’t think that would be the case, Dimitris. I don’t recall Taste making a particularly strong showing las competition.
Sorry I wasn’t trying to allege any bias on people’s voting motives. My main point, a very selfish point, at that was I was concerned about whether I would need to watch anything in the second round as I would probably have seen most of the films chosen. As I said I respect people’s votes and managers choices, hell I voted for Herzog and Tati. It seems to be insinuated that if you enjoy discovering new films it suddenly means you have a ravaged hatred for all things popular which is just not true!
With all respect the reason why Khoo won seems generally to do with a hatred in some parts for Von Trier and Antichrist and very little to do with No Day Off. Vlacil is leading Wajda, but then again hardly anyone even bothered to vote for that (except the hardened voters) due to the lengths of each film so I wouldn’t really include that match in this discussion.
I think there needs to be a certain number of popular films in each round, otherwise, if, say, everyone has two watch two films for each match-up, many people are going to have a difficult time meeting the voting deadlines and the turnout will be low. As far as voting being driven by popularity generally speaking, the last time we did something similar to this, if I recall correctly, it was China vs. India in the finals—hardly the two most prominent national cinemas, historically speaking.
It seems to be insinuated that if you enjoy discovering new films it suddenly means you have a ravaged hatred for all things popular which is just not true!
There are also people insinuating that if you voted for the more well known films that suddenly makes you close-minded and you’re only doing it because you’ve known them beforehand…
What films that get through will get through. If we count the Wajda vs Vlacil matchup, seeing as it is almost over, then three lesser known directors have won. It doesn’t matter how you spin it, three lesser known directors have still won. And even in most of the losses to lesser known directors the voting has still been bloody close. And scanning down the bracket I can see many matches where I would put my money on the lesser known director winning.
Just let it play out how it plays out. It’s too early now to do anything other than that.
“I wouldn’t want every film to be new, because of time limitations and the fun of voting old favourites against new finds”.
Matt I did say that in my last post.
The emphasis of the competition should be based on enjoying new discoveries no matter who directed them, and discussing and contrasting the films in competition.
This is not about who made the bestest film of all time and proving it, which is where I think this is heading.
Anyway I’ll keep an open mind on the matter Cecil:) It’s just I think I can speak for a lot of people on here if in the semi-finals we get something like The Godfather v Annie Hall and Aguirre v Vertigo even though all are great films it might be a tad dull.
-This is not about who made the bestest film of all time and proving it, which is where I think this is heading-
I do agree that it becomes boring as soon as it gets narrowed down to pairings of obvious, acknowledged “greats,” I just don’t think that this is what’s going to happened, based on the last Cup and the results of the current up to this point. As far as it being about determining a “best,” this whole business is modeled after a sporting competition, so that it should retain some of that character should come as no surprise. It’s also part curated retrospective, though, and I can respect the opinion of those who would like it to be primarily that. Even then, though, I think we owe it to the curators/managers to respect their choices to a certain degree.
I agree totally Matt and have at not time directly criticised a manager personally on their choice of film. As the manager of the director they have the choice to make whatever choice they want to make, and the peole who vote to. I hope you are right with your belief that it will remain mixed and as I said will keep an open mind:)
Yes, there have been a few very intriguing match-ups thus far. I’m optimistic that this well carry over to the next round.
RA! RA! RA!
Vivre sa Vie 27, Reconstruction 18 so far
Fixed correct tally now sorry
Shocking score:( This one deserves to be much closer!
Yes. I vote for Reconstruction again. Strenuously.
I think u are off by ten uli or the lead last vote was off
Thanks, yep, fixed it
Godard’s Vivre sa Vie (0) – Pintille’s Reconstruction (1)
De tin marín de do pingüé
Actually I don’t know what film should I vote for because I enjoyed them very close. So I’ll take in account other factors and for the voting matter I choose Reconstruction just because Godard films are easier to track (and I haven’t seen more Pintille films).
Vivre sa Vie (1) – Reconstruction (0)
Two greeeeat films, but Vivre sa vie is more precious in my opinion
I think 28 – 19
Vivre sa Vie (1) – Reconstruction (0)
a tough decision..