once again films tied at 2
Well,so many posts,but in the end the score remains the same!
not just Blake for me, it is also Richard Pryor (maybe his last film) he adds such a touch of class and charm to the film.
Lost Highway (1) vs Sebastiane (0)
Lost Highway – 1 vs. Sebastiane – 0
Following Blue, Sebastiane is the biggest disappointment of Round 2 for me. It’s porn in better locations but without the erections. What’s the point? Lost Highway isn’t that much better, but at least it has the puzzle element going for it to justify a re-watch.
David Lynch (Lost Highway) —0 vs Derek Jarman (Sebastiane) —1
This Lynch film is only half of a good movie. When the switch happens in the middle I lose interest (mostly—Patricia Arquette still piques). I didn’t love the Jarman film but I respect what it was doing. If I was a gay man this would no doubt be a favorite.
Even though I’m still sore at Lynch for beating up James Benning in R1, I was hoping we wouldn’t see this film, since I rate it too low for it to beat anything that doesn’t have Huck Caton operating a boom mike in it.
can we rephrase all this ‘gay man’ stuff and add ‘sad heterosexual women’ to it? ta. i guess you all didn’t like eg beau travail either (not a direct comparison but there’s plenty nice military men, a desert, and dancing)
Lynch’s Lost Highway (0) – Jarman’s Sebastiane (1)
David Lynch (Lost Highway) – 1 vs Derek Jarman (Sebastiane) – 0
Can’t believe I’m voting for Lynch again. It’s kind of a shame to see him and others like Allen, Miyazaki, and Jarmusch sneaking into the third round with really mediocre films at best. I’d prefer to see more Jarman, but I have to be honest and can’t vote for Sebastiane. I find cheap costume period pieces more offensive than dozens of naked men. Like Sir Douglas said, I could rewatch Lost Highway, but can’t say the same for Jarman’s film.
I clicked the link to Sebastiane but I think it’s been replaced by one of the troll’s video collections!
David Lynch’s Lost Highway was one of the epic three that made me realize that cinema does more than, at best, bring dinosaurs to life. It was a huge discovery for me and as such I can appreciate the way it works even as time wears on and I discover more. That said, I think it’s one of Lynch’s finest films in terms of noir fun and general creepiness, and I have a thing for Patricia Arquette. Also, I adore the Mystery Man as a character, dude just works too well.
Sebastiane started out great and I was really excited to see it initially. The thing about it being set against Lost Highway was that here was an opportunity to take a movie that sent me on the path of discovery, towards a movie that could send me on a path towards more discovery! My hopes were high during that lewd introduction, where I eagerly anticipated whether we were going towards Kuchar, Waters, or Kubrick. Actually, we ended up going more towards Pasolini, but that’s another story.
All in all, I like the Queer Christ story it creates, but really wish I were gay or female so that I could enjoy it a lot more. It was beautifully shot, incredibly sensual, and did the same thing 300 did for me: after a certain point of taut male nakedness in slow motion, I pretty much had nothing to compel or arouse me . At least the comparison ends there—this movie ain’t no hypocritical jingoistic bullshit.
I am glad this movie exists because I think about all the gay men out there who have so little like this to watch and I can imagine what a rare, sensual treat it is for them. I also like that the movie wasn’t totally kitsch, which is often how filmmakers “queerize” movies to use overexaggeration to flaunt homosexuality in the face. Okay, there is a little of that—Sebastiane’s shower scene being almost laughable in how little sense it makes (is he still holding the jar, or…. and how much water can that jar hold, really?). However, the problem with kitsch queer cinema is that as much as it seeks to shock and disrupt normalized topics by marginalizing them, it also makes the marginal acceptable as “other” because it’s hard to take seriously. This movie doesn’t fall into that trap.
I also firmly stand by my belief that there should be more penises in cinema so that people can stop being all scared and giddy and ridiculous about the damn things.
It’s a good movie. I just started wishing those excellent shots of abs led down to a vagina once in a while.
Lost Highway 1 vs. Sebastiane 0
Edit: one thing I forgot to mention is that for all the time it took for the movie to get to the martyring, it was really worth it, especially as regards the symbolism of where the arrows hit. They hit the neck, armpit, chest (heart), abs, and penis, all of the places pointed out and desired by the camera throughout the film, as a sort of impassioned kiss from all of the executioners for what they wanted from Sebastiane—and giving said kisses, give him what he truly desires to embrace. Good stuff.
Once one gets over all the willy’s and buttocks there is actually a really good film. It is much more than a “queer” film and really holds up as a sensual, original, vibrant piece of work.
Sebastianne 1 v Lost Highway 0
“Once one gets over all the willy’s and buttocks there is actually a really good film.”
Where? Certainly not in the writing or the acting.
I want to go on some sad rant about how androsexual and gynosexual make far more sense as terms for talking about your sexuality than heterosexual and homosexual, but I’m too tired (and ranting is so unbecoming of me)…
Is there a segment missing from the Lynch movie on youtube? I can’t seem to find segment 2 (out of the 12 ones posted there).
Really? So much support for Lynch????
Really? Sebastiane is a MASTERPIECE, even better than Blue!!!!
But with all the fake identities recently, I won’t be surprised if my comment gets piled up under all this mess, like in the Visconti vs Zulawski match.
But for real?? So much support for Lost Highway??? I’d rather re-watch naked men than pointless riddles.
Jeez, Dim. There’s only been six votes for Lynch. Is that too much support?
Pradipta, here is a different Part 2 from another user. There is a little overlap, but you should be able to watch the entire movie on youtube.
Well, it’s not yet but maybe I’d believe this support had it been Elephant Man or Mullholland….
Plus, I’m over-enthused at the moment!
“Really? Sebastiane is a MASTERPIECE, even better than Blue!!!!”
Who called Sebastiane a masterpiece? I wen through the comments and the only one that had even mentioned Blue was me, so I thought that my vote for Jarman and my mention of Blue may have been misconstrued. Or was it someone else? Or DID YOU JUST MAKE IT UP?
^ You misunderstood.
I don’t know who called it but i call first, heh.
(the Blue comment is mine, all mine! :P )
sebastiane will always be associated, in an english context , with its channel four premiere in the early 80s. this was a seminal moment in the moral and cultural evolution of public attitudes towards depictions of homosexuality. as a film it fails to transcend its moment the way that fassbinders in a year of thirteen moons has.[or fox and his friends has for that matter] still its more to my taste then lynch so sebastiane 1 lost highway 0