hate it.
dull and talky (esp for a kung fu revenge flick)
Nothing to do with you OP, but I’m tired of the QT threads.
I thought it wasn’t talky enough.
I love Tarantino films, and even I’m tired of the threads! At least, threads without an interesting point of view or any sort of analysis. But that basically goes for any kind of thread on any subject.
Nate, if you’re going to hold all QT’s films to Pulp Fiction’s standards, they’re sure to come up short. Taken on its own terms, Kill Bill Vol. 1 is a great blaxsploitation, fung fu, samurai film. Most of the narrative was saved for Volume 2 (a spaghetti western!), so it lives or dies on the basis of how badass its action scenes are. For me they were pretty damn badass.
I got tired of Tarantino after Pulp Fiction and the only film of his I really enjoy is Reservoir Dogs; though Sam Jackson is great in Pulp Fiction.
Kill Bill 1 & 2 are like some of the later Stephen King novel, it could have been unsubstantial harmless genre parody entertainment but for the artist’s seeming nearly complete inability to edit himself. Somewhere within the two films there may be single film that’s sustainably entertaining, but I’ll be damned if I could find it (or care to).
Love it, his third best movie in my opinion.
I love Kill Bill vol. 1, seriously. It’s so fun, so entertaining, and just incredibly well-made (or, at least, in my opinion).
Savvy
I thought that Kill Bill 1 was pretty dang good. I watched 1 and 2 back to back, so maybe that is why I enjoyed it so much. if I only watched the first one though, I might have felt similar to how you feel. most of the storyline/dialogue does happen during the second volume. but on the other hand, the badass fight scenes were fun to watch.
I love all his movies to tell the truth. THERE I SAID IT, feel free to chastise me The Auteurs!
Kill Bill (1 & 2) is QT at the top of his game. The action is simultaneously hilarious, and exhilarating. The editing is great. The use of anime is genius to tell the back story of O-Ren Ishii. The whole work is an audacious, thrill ride of a sendup to many a genre of cinema.
I don’t get why people seem to aquire such strong passion for talking about QT films.
My answer is, I love KB 1 and 2.
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Can you honestly name another American filmmaker that is making films as interesting as QT’s?
Kill Bill IS Tarantino at his most self-indulgent and that fact is painfully clear while watching it (by the way, I tend to not differentiate between the two volumes; Kill Bill is, in my book, a single film and should’ve been released that way – of course heavily edited, but that’s for another discussion I suppose).
When I first saw Kill Bill in the theatre I wasn’t that impressed but, I did enjoy myself, particularly with the first volume (and to a lesser extent with the 2nd volume), but after repeated viewings it really grew tiresome and, by now, Tarantino is entirely predictable.
That’s the problem with unrestrained self-indulgence. I mean, it starts out fine and a little self-indulgence can be a fine thing, but after one continuously relies on it and forms a career out of it, then it just gets tiresome and that’s where I’m at with QT. A filmmaker doesn’t have to be self-indulgent in order to make a film that is stylistically “his/her” film, one can still accomplish that individuality in other ways, but QT seems content to rehash not only other filmmakers’ work, but his own as well. It’s unfortunate really because I think Tarantino is very knowledgeable about cinema and obviously has a great love for it, but he needs to take a step back and look at himself and realize what he’s become.
Kill Bill was the beginning of the end for QT (I personally LOVED Jackie Brown, which is a film that is, IMO, Tarantino’s best BY FAR, but anyway) and now that we’ve all seen Inglorious Basterds (or however the hell it’s spelled) it doesn’t seem like Tarantino’s going to change. Hopefully, I’m wrong.
“Can you honestly name another American filmmaker that is making films as interesting as QT’s?”
Uh, Malick (and I’d probably throw in David Gordan Green as a more interesting filmmaker, but he’s also had his missteps lately – not to mention Lodge Kerrigan who’s Keane film outdoes the past 3 Tarantino attempts easily)? But partly, you’re right. The problem though, is not that American filmmakers are inferior to Tarantino’s work, but that they’re inferior to the work of practically every other nation.
Berjuan, that is so subjective. Personally I find Hal Hartley way more interesting. Tarantino has found his way into the mainstream, it’s not that he is any better or any worse than any others, he just came along at the right time.
Really hate it. Three and a half hours of dumb fighting and negotiating sequences between cardboard characters.
I still find Jim Jarmusch endlessly interesting…
I like Jarmusch too… I still need to watch his last film and Ghost Dog, a samurai film.
Its funny that you mention Jarmusch I think they he and quentin Tarantino are on a similar wavelenght. I could also say the say the thing about “cardboard characters” about Broken Flowers.
There are a lot of american filmmakers making really good films but none can compare to QT, not because he is better but because he is unique.
It’s not that he’s better or that he’s unique, it’s that his films are easily accessible, they get a large screen release and DVD release, the same cannot be said Jarmusch, nor for Hartley.
The characters in Broken Flowers are deliberately deadpan.
I don’t find QT unique. His stuff is just rehashed from the early 90s and since then, waves of filmmakers have imitated him in creating films of equal quality.
“Three and a half hours of dumb [coulda used a more discriptive word] fighting and negotiating sequences between cardboard characters.”
Did you really expect more out of a kung-fu exploitation revenge flick?
Kill Bill 1 is great fun I dont believe people who says they werent entertained. The Crazy 88 gang fight was fantastic. Lucy kicked ass.
and Law, Kill Bill was rehashed from the early 70s o.O
Yeah the thing is that I don’t want to see kung-fu exploitation revenge flicks.
I’ve found fight scenes very boring since young.
Honestly? I’m dumbfounded… I know people TRY to imitate him, but I don’t think anyone is successful by any means, nor do they make films anywhere near the quality of his when they try.
I don’t think he is the BEST, but I definitely think that he is unique. It really seems like a one sided argument with little evidence… then again isn’t that how arguments of taste go? No one has proof one way or another.
I cant understand that, Law :/ I grew up watching early Jackie Chan and Hong Kong action cinema so thats where Im coming from.
I actually think revenge is a very strong motivation, maybe not multidimentional but it is strong… and that animated sequence… OMG I think I watched that a hundred times.
I still havent heard one valid argument to why QT’s films are not good, and this is maybe the 10th thread on the subject.
Berjuan QT should just do a feature length animated film from Oren’s bloody childhood ;)
Berjuan, it is my opinion that he incessantly lifts source material and by stripping them of their context, removes any depth they might have had.
Seekzee,
I can actually see it now… if he gave her the same treatment she gave Oshana (sp?) of Inglorious Basterds that would be a great film…
For me, it’s not that his movies aren’t good, cause there is obviously some skill within them, I just don’t care for them. I don’t think they lack imagination, I just don’t see that it’s Tarantino’s imagination. I feel that he borrows better than anyone else. His film knowledge is extensive, so he can pay homage here and pay homage there, he pieces together quite a puzzle.
His dialogue was somewhat fresh in the early 90s, but really isn’t anymore, he’s even paying homage to himself now.
There are worse films released every weekend than what Tarantino has put out, but there is better as well.
Tarantino does what he does and that is pay homage well, but he lost my interest years ago. I’d like to see him go out on a limb and try something different, until then he’s just another director in the Hipster genre.
I agree, its Shoshanna btw ;)
watch this I think this looks fucking awesome! Much better than Iron Man 2
Drunken Father Figure of Old
I didn’t. I thought it suffered from the very same drawbacks of the films it was trying to imitate. The lack of plot made me really not care about any of the fight scenes, and I actually found it pretty boring. Whereas Pulp Fiction transcended the gritty crime drama, Kill Bill seemed more like a bad imitation than an homage. I know most of the general public like it, but what about you all?