Why are we arguing because everything should be on MUBI.
This thread and the MUBI Elitism thread should get together and talk this out.
If you don’t like the website, do something about it, or leave.
Do you mean the god awful “neo-noir” or the god awful vampire/teen/quasi-goth flick?
Movies,good thing they are not the same!.Movies offer a different world and experience,Shame how Mubi is turning out to question people with the movie lists.Plus Alice In Wonderland was directed by Tim Burton,He is considered an auteur.He’s known for his directional style,influences,theme,film tone and collabos.
I guess this site is losing it’s “philosophy”,Once Mubi turns into IMDB I’m quitting this community.
When will people see the point to this community?
When will the complaints be over of what films should be here and what shouldn’t?
Let’s enjoy the site for what it is,not for what it should be…or was.
Well, I for one, don’t differentiate between “real cinema” and … what, “unreal cinema?” If a film strikes me as “good” then it doesn’t matter whether it’s Winter Light or Big Trouble in Little China (I’m shooting for “the most posts mentioning the film BTILC” award, heh), it’s worth discussing and it’s worth recommending – the only difference is that the discussion will veer in a different direction.
This thread is just one of the many where I shrug and say, “Ask a subjective question, get a subjective answer” – that’s apparently the OP’s intention I would think.
But here’s the question(s) and simple explanation to those who want films such as twilight here.
Before Mubi,This community was once called The Auteurs.What do you expect from a website co-created by IMDB and Criterion called the auteurs?
What is Criterion known for?
Are there similar movies to twilight with a criterion release?
Here copy pasted from Wiki:
In film criticism, the 1950s-era auteur theory holds that a director’s films reflect that director’s personal creative vision, as if he were the primary “auteur” (the French word for “author”). In spite of—and sometimes even because of—the films in question being made as part of an industrial process, the author’s creative voice is distinctive enough to shine through all kinds of studio interference. In some cases, film producers are considered to have a similar “auteur” role for films that they have produced.
I used “Real Cinema”because of [I’ll use more highly known auteurs/directors in the world of film-making]
[excuse my grammar or writing,I’m not good ]
Alfred Hitchcock,David Lynch,Ingmar Bergman,Andrei Tarkovsky,Jean Luc-Godard,Stanley Kubrick,Charlie Chaplin etc
the auteurs I had in mind that this community would focus more on such directors and their films.In here I expected to read arguments,opinions,review and analysis from other people or simply share!.Most of these film-makers are ignored or well known for their body work in the industry,Because some of them are complex or self-explanatory or perhaps a critique to society which left an impact in the media[or audience].When you see a film -based on the experience that you felt,right when you get out of a theater you talk to your friends about it/them or you hear people talking about what they saw.There are films I didn’t like until I read other peoples interpretation on a film,which made me consider watching some of them,And With what I had in mind on my second view I learned how to appreciate them from a technical and story telling.
Have a swell day!.
i’ve never even looked at the list of movies “on” the auteurs, so it doesn’t really matter to me, but shouldn’t film buffs have knowledge of shitty films, as well as good ones? i love low budget crappy horror movies, as do a lot of film fanatics, does that mean they shouldn’t be listed on here too?
Of,course.I love and hate shitty films too!
Which B- horror movie is here? Evil Dead is here!,Sam Raimi is considered and is an auteur.
I love Troma films!
I love street trash,the incredible melting man etc…
I didn’t join the auteurs for that in mind.But hey ,whatever floats peoples boats eh?
I really don’t know what else to say.But from the auteurs changed to MUBI… Maybe everything should be here…I guess there should be another web-based community opened and named auteurcinema.com or something better.=/
Who are you to decide for the rest of us which films have value, Angel? Twilight has as much claim to being “auteur cinema” as Casablanca.
So the question your giving me is circular,I’m not deciding.But I disapprove of Twilight being here.But I’m not the one to stop it!.it was simply my share of the opinion answering the OP.But since I’ve received replies on my mail box.I’ve returned to explain my opinion.
Also I ask you,Who are you to decide and claim?
Don’t take it personal,I hope there was more sarcasm than seriousness in your question.
Why do you consider Twilight “auteur cinema”?
I think everything should be included.
It’s an incredibly stupid and terrible movie, made only to market vampire fantasies to teenage girls. The writing is terrible, the acting is terrible, and there does not exist enough suspension of disbelief in the universe to accept the premise.
But, one man’s trash is one pre-pubescent girl’s treasure.
Sorry, but I think people are over-exaggerating how bad Twilight is based, mostly, on the fact it is supposed to only appeal to teen girls, or out of some weird idea of fidelity to previous pop culture vampire lore, which is hardly necessary. I’m not going to say that the first two Twilight movies are great landmarks in cinema history or anything, but for pop culture Hollywood products they do okay. I don’t find them much worse than say The Dark Knight for example, and they are certainly better than a number of the other superhero movies we’ve been infested with in recent years.
My take on the films is they work as a sort of metaphor or analogy for depression. Bella’s family has split apart and she has been shuttled between her two parents, who from all appearances, seem to either not know what to do with her, or are too wrapped up in their own worlds to give her the attention she needs. The environment she finds herself in reflects her feelings of emptiness, her relations with her friends are lackluster at best until she meets and falls for Edward, who, being a vampire, suggests she is attracted to a dead thing or death. her relationship with Edward then is flirting with the idea of death which she gets to act out at the end of the film when she goes back to her absent mother’s town to places that were significant to her in her younger days and where there is great emotional significance to her in regards to her relationship with her mother. this “suicide” attempt by vampire proxy is thwarted by Edward, but it could be seen as Bella coming to terms with her relationship with her mother and gaining the strength to move on by her new found confidence in her own worth as mirrored in Edward.
This, of course, isn’t a fully healthy thing since worth determined through another, particularly an equally troubled other can’t hold, which is where the sequel comes in as Bella and Edward’s love affair with death is challenged by the werewolf Charlie who can be seen to represent a counter of pure animal lifeforce.
I haven’t seen the third movie, so I don’t know if this reading works with it or not, and I have no intention of reading the books to see how accurately the films have been translated to the screen, but I don’t think dismissing the series offhandedly on pop culture grounds is warranted, even though, as I said, they certainly aren’t significant works of art or anything.
This view, I imagine, will not prove a popular one however…
See Greg,the way you explained the film made it sound better.But is the movie better?
I shamefully[please don’t ask me why guys] seen all three of them and I can tell you that the first one is better lol.
Especially having a scene with[SPOILERS] both of her dilemmas on a camp protecting her from the cold and army of new borns,Bella kisses the other in confusion and she says “I don’t know why I did that” and having Edward worried about her not marrying her etc.This is obviously a pump-war for girls,or perhaps guys to cheer for go Cullen or Go wolf boy!…whatever his name was.I couldn’t take the movie serious.And to be honest hearing “oh it’s the director for 30 days of night” I said …“well good,lets give it a looksy” and of,course it was my sister who wanted to watch this.
I know these two films don’t have anything in common,But if there’s an amazing modern vampire movie that would be Let the right on in[and not let me in…ugh fucking remakes].
vampire glitters in the sun?…Well I don’t know what vampires are anymore.
But yeah the third one?is worse than the rest.Worse acting…dumb predictable romantic lines…
Do you Greg think Twilight deserves to be on Mubi? now that this isn’t theauteurs.com anymore…
bonsoir a tous!.
Do I think Twilight deserves to be on here? I would say as much as many of the other films on here do. I don’t find it a particularly egregious example of awful filmmaking, just a, perhaps, better than average Hollywood pop product that has a somewhat significant cultural vibe to it. I think it belongs on here if the latter Star Wars movies do, which are all cultural significance and not artistic value, to me, it’s better than stuff like Peter Jackson’s last film, The Lovely Bones, which I found simply awful, and any number of other films that I don’t think many people are concerned about “belonging” or not. I would even go so far as to assert a positive value in the fact that Twilight does appeal to girls as opposed to the usual boyzone stuff since there is so much societal emphasis on the crap designed to appeal to young men, that having a balance, can in itself, provide some value even if the film itself isn’t that worthwhile. I do think there is a significant issue around what is accepted as “good” pop culture and what isn’t and that has a lot to do with whether it is designed to appeal to boys or girls and I think it is something this site should take seriously, so either films like Twilight should be included, or a lot of other films need to be kicked out. I prefer the former option since people’s tastes differ and there is often value hidden in unlikely places.
I don’t see why every movie can’t be on here, really. I try and rate every movie I’ve seen.
I’ve seen all the twilights