Yeah, Paglia’s name and control.
i.e. me/not me
Or it could simply be a reference point – a classification – something definable gets a name.
I love Kashmir.
I can dig it.
If you gotta bitch about hipsters, do it here.
I have no problem with hipsters in movies, but who I have a problem with are hipsters who watch movies and think all the great movies are bad (like the dipshits at Facebook).
What is a hipster? some kind of snob?
It’s some kind of bag that you put babies in.
no, really, l would like to know, too :p
thanks Matt :) but seems like l really have a problem to understand even words “urban” and “alternative” or maybe just use of those words is pretty much wrong around me (or just my way of thinking isn’t in that direction or l’m simply dumb). but always had a “problem” with those non-mainstream groups, with understanding it (""mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior[s]." l mean, what? ). like, a lot of people around here are hipsters suddenly, and like whole town is hipster town (not really, but really many of them, l hope you understand what l’m trying to say) and still – not mainstream. idk, really have hard time to understand all of that, but l guess it’s bec of me :)
bee, u know ‘bohemian’?? it’s something like that. great grandchildren of the beats (or so they like to imagine) trying hard not to look like they’re trying to be cool
" Note: it is no longer recommended that one use the term ‘cool’; a Hipster would instead say ‘deck’ "
2 yrs ago. hahahaha
“seems like l really have a problem to understand even words “urban” and “alternative” or maybe just use of those words is pretty much wrong around me”
These words have specific meanings beyond the strictly literal ones in American pop culture that is hard to pin down. I’d say that basically the way it’s used is a sort of insult —“hipster” = anyone who isn’t quite as “cool” as they think they are (the implication being that if I call someone a hipster I mean they are a less authentic person than I am).
ahhhh, ok, it’s more clear now. l thought they are something like COOL…again, probably bec of tone people are talking about HIPSTERS (some kind of sarcasm + envy …if l could notice right…or, again, maybe just wrong interpretation of people talking about that)..and ruby, don’t talk me aout bohemians, l am one ! (haha, kidding ofc :D )
yeah, they’re more like posers or faux bohemians i guess. more a fashion statement than a lifestyle choice. anyway no one will claim the title. it’s a put down
l don’t understand mankind :/ anyway, thank you guys :)
maybe someone will post photos :)
How many hipsters does it take to change a light bulb?
The number is so obscure you’ve probably never heard of it.
Someone copping to being a hipster is about as rare as a German in late 1945 admitting they knew anything about the concentration camps.
Hey, I remember this thread!
Hipsters do worship this overrated goon and Fox News whore
Next thing you know, Taki Mag and its yellowbellied staff are cool all of a sudden
You know, I don’t listen to much new music but I did discover Esperanza Spaulding’s second album a couple years ago and fell in love with it. It’s kind of weird how much attention she’s now getting (although it’s completely deserved).
Not only is she the real deal, she’s hot as hell.
You know, this thread was one of the greatest disappointments for me on theauteurs/mubi. I had a genuine inquiry in the OP. I guess I got my answer, but just not in the way I’d hoped to.
I had honestly forgotten the original context of this whole discussion, Nathan. Guess it’s too late to turn back now. Mubi never met a good hate thread it didn’t like. I think we were onto something with the whole me/not me, name and control thing, though.
It’s back over here.
I have no problem with hipster culture per se (in fact, there are aspects that I enjoy). It’s really the specific people that are the problem. The majority of the people I know who are hipsters are truly awful people. Their behavior, their narcissism, their self-involved, wink-wink condescension is frustrating to no end. The lack of sincerity and obsession with irony and verbalizing their “self-awareness” is troubling, to say the least.
These are my issues with the stereotypical, modern-day hipster. Not all are like this but a lot are. And so when I see the scarf and tight jeans, this is the behavior that I usually associate with such accessories. And the gag reflex inevitably becomes uncontrollable.
Santino said, I have no problem with hipster culture per se (in fact, there are aspects that I enjoy). It’s really the specific people that are the problem. The majority of the people I know who are hipsters are truly awful people. Their behavior, their narcissism, their self-involved, wink-wink condescension is frustrating to no end. The lack of sincerity and obsession with irony and verbalizing their “self-awareness” is troubling, to say the least.
You say this in reference to people you know, but it seems to describe hipster culture in general, as I understand it—and to me your response explains why people don’t like hipsters. Also, Nathan, in the OP, says, “It’s a film that definitely caters to a very specific people group, and it trades in pop culture references meant for those people, and not for others”—which gets at a superior attitude of hipsters. That this elitist attitude annoys people isn’t surprising, right? (Btw, fwiw, I didn’t really get that vibe from the characters in (500) Days of Summer—a film that pleasantly surprised me [I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.]—but I can see people getting the vibe from the film overall.)
On the other hand, I don’t think the characters and films convey a strong condescending, superior attitude, so I’m not sure people are reacting negatively to an elitist attitude per se. I’m running out of time, but here are some other thoughts I’ll throw out there:
>Maybe part of the negative reaction stems from the superficiality of the characters and films. There’s a stylish quality, while possessing a hollow core?
>Is there a connection between the preppy characters in Whit Stillman’s films?
>I wonder if there is some resentment towards the nerd ascendency in films. There is something nerdy and geeky—except these qualities have transformed into something cool, and maybe some people react negatively to that.
Maybe part of the negative reaction stems from the superficiality of the characters and films. There’s a stylish quality, while possessing a hollow core?
THIS. ^ re: this particular film.
I enjoyed 500 Days of Summer too. And I don’t really see it as a hipster film (it’s cutesy quirky and has Zooey Deschanel but that’s about it) even though there are scenes that take place in Silverlake (didn’t they shoot a scene at Spaceland?) and have a hipstery soundtrack. But I thought the film was much more innocent and playful than what I picture most hipster films to be (calling White Stillman!).