poetry and visual landscape, that’s what’s all about in cinema, similar to photography….it’s not just long takes, it’s the silence in films…dialogue is brilliant but the patience of the lens is even better….
robley doesn’t live near intelligent life, and is still able to watch these films, so i think that means that they are not that obscure.
“[contemporary filmmakers] totally forsake the idea of actually editing the footage that they shoot”
really? is this a joke?
Robley, give me you top 10 right now, so that I can stop making assumptions of your taste based on films that YOU listed.
If these films are not obscure, than what is?
What is the definition of obscure that we are using here, because in the real world you would be lucky to find 1 in 200 people who had even heard of a single one of the non-american films that Robley listed-although he’s not a personal fan of any of those, if I find fault with them, than I am narrowminded.
This past decade wasn’t really good enough to warrant a top 10.
1. The New World
2. Alexander Revisited
3. Amores Perros
4. Brokeback Mountain
5. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Non-american films that I have seen include several of Zimou’s films, his best work was done in the 90s. I’ve seen Motor Cycle Diaries, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Bad Education, Pan’s Labrynth, Cache, The Valet, The Return, 2046, Millennium Mambo, Amelie, I saw the Red, White and Blue trilogy from the 90s. I can’t remember all of the movies that I have seen, but I’ve seen enough like Ulysses’ Gaze and the Three colors trilogy, and Gommorah to know that I am fed up with it.
Umm, movies today are not shit. You’re just watching mostly shit as evidenced by the above post of yours.
This thread will never get off the ground because apparently if you don’t like certain movies (or cant spell a name correctly) you are an insufferable ignoramus. This thread gets 5 stars out of a lot more stars.
You know people, I agree with you with saying that there’s plenty to like in the last decade, Jason is not looking in the right places, just as you all have said.
Nevertheless, this answer:
“And the fact that you are praising films like Crouching Tiger over a Tarr film is just outright ridiculous.”
It’s quite harsh, it’s Ok if anyone likes something over other masterful firectors, eveyone is entitled to their own opinion… heck, I even like Crouching Tiger more than… the entire works of Wes Anderson, to say anything.
Let’s help him to understand that there’s a lot in this past decade, but let’s not judge someone’s opinion.
We gotta help find, not to change judgements.
i like this list: http://www.theauteurs.com/lists/4693
“because apparently if you don’t like certain movies”
it’s not about subjectivity here dude, this has turned into a dismissal of films from certain areas / decades / regions even before seeing them!!! that guy here reminds me of Rumplesink only Rumplesink isn’t discrimintory with female film-makers!!!
pre-conceiving that cinema is dead before seeing enough of it shows somone’s ignorance and banality…c’est tout…
Decade
1. There Will Be Blood (P.T. Anderson, 2007)
2. Werckmeister Harmonies (Tarr, 2000)
3. Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
4. Elephant (van Sant, 2003)
5. Yi Yi (Yang, 2000)
6. The New World (Malick, 2005)
7. Lost in Translation (Coppola, 2003)
8. A Serious Man (Coens, 2009)
9. The White Ribbon (Haneke, 2009)
10. Syndromes and a Century (Weerasethakul, 2006)
All-time
1. There Will Be Blood (P.T. Anderson, 2007)
2. Color of Pomegranates (Parajanov, 1968)
3. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)
4. Winter Light (Bergman, 1962)
5. Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky, 1966)
6. Eyes Wide Shut (Kubrick, 1999)
7. 8 1/2 (Fellini, 1963)
8. Jeanne Dielman, 23, Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman, 1975)
9. Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
10. Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975)
I named things that aren’t obscure for someone on this site and things that aren’t obscure with someone forsaking contemporary cinema that has a brain.
I didn’t say I wasn’t a fan of all of them, just a few of them.
“It’s quite harsh, it’s Ok if anyone likes something over other masterful firectors, eveyone is entitled to their own opinion… heck, I even like Crouching Tiger more than… the entire works of Wes Anderson, to say anything.
Let’s help him to understand that there’s a lot in this past decade, but let’s not judge someone’s opinion."
Jaime: I know, but you’re taking that sentence out of its context, which is that Chikenbaby is trying to tell me that I have bad taste.
on obscurity- that changes as decades pass and films become canonized.
Oh! pero si esta decada y la pasada (y las demás) estan llenas de peliculas maravillosas!. Decir lo contrario es tener ceguera cinefila, y eso es algo bastante triste.
Nice list there Robley. Well, except for Irreversible hehe.
Robley: Somewhere in this thread I got distracted and started thinking that Jason and Chickenbaby where the same user, don’t know why, so sorry if I’ve taken it out of context, sorry.
I still go by my opinion that we should open minds.
Btw Robley, have you written somewhere about your love towards There Will Be Blood? Being your number one of all time is quite surprising (as my number one is), TWBB is my personal number 10 of all time, I like it a lot, but I’m curious to read something about this tremendous love which I suppose we share.
3 Kubrick films in the all time top 10?
There will be blood #1 all time?
At least we know where we stand.
You’re absolutely right. Many people want to defend current contemporary cinema because they either: a) are unacquainted with films from the Golden Age and New Hollywood era, or b) consider the cliché-abundant throwup of the new millennium to be art. That’s not to say there haven’t been a few four-out-of-four stars plastered on the screen in the last decade. There Will Be Blood, United 93, and Million Dollar Baby are three prime examples of top-notch contemporary American cinema. But it would be ignorant to say the 21st century is not the worst decade that the art of film has ever seen. A lack of originality and heavily reliance on technology are both to blame.
Are you serious? I never tried to tell you you had bad taste, I never mentioned any of your films in particular and for the millionth time we simply have different tastes. Ive seen 8/10 out of your all time list and we just have different tastes dude.
And I don’t think Jason here is saying that cinema is dead, but simply that he has trouble with contemporary cinema. Did Jason say he’s dismissing films altogether from different areas / decades / regions? This thread is getting messy.
What about Silent Light, Reygadas, 2007?
i disagree with Crews 2000s wasn’t the best but it wasn’t the worst too
United 93?
Crews: Talk about a lack on originality and heavy reliance on technology in contemporary cinema when you’ve seen a single Weerasethakul/Diaz/Sang-Soo/Ming-Liang film. Saying that “it would be ignorant to say the 21st century is not the worst decade that the art of film has ever seen” is an extremely ignorant statement in itself.
Jaime: I haven’t written anything but part of the reason I love it so much (and why 3 Kubricks are in my top 10) is because I see those 4 films as misanthropic film at its perfection. Daniel Plainview is without a doubt, my all-time favorite film character, coupled with that Kubrickian style of filmmaking where PTA practically does it better than Kubrick himself.
Million Dollar Baby?
United 93 was a film that hit home with me. It illustrated all of what happened on 9/11 with an intricacy I’ve marveled at for years now.
And yes, Million Dollar Baby.
For full disclosure:
1. Ran
2. Passion of Joan of Arc
3. Rocco and his Brothers
4. Ivan the Terrible parts 1 and 2
5. Andrei Rublev
6. Treasure of the Sierra Madre
7. Red Beard
8. La Dolce Vita
9. The Bicycle Thieves
10. Porco Rosso
Don Quixote de Orson Welles
Sansho the Bailiff
If Jason saves contemporary cinema by making something superior to Bela Tarr’s Werckmeister Harmonies, I swear I’ll do him right like Bruno did the dead Milli Vanilli guy.
LOL
What does everyone think of Gladiator? I’m an avid fan of Russell Crowe, but that movie is not everything it’s blown up to be.
This isn’t IMDb Crews.
Its been a while, but I think that Master and Commander was better than gladiator. Had Russell been cast in Kingdom of Heaven, that movie could have been great.
“This thread is getting messy”
he’s pre-judging due to similar content he’s previously seen, this goes to show narrow-mindedness because he will never realize that lesser known art-house films equal the glorious periods of U.S. and France.
-VAHID-
“I’m going to become a filmmaker, because movies today are shit” really isn’t " arrogant narrow-minded guys like this who come here to see if anyone will validate their uninformed opinions."?