Then may the force be with you, always…:)
Leia “I’d sooner kiss a wookie.”
Han “I can arrange that!”
You know, art films are good. Entertainment films are also good. Star Wars is an entertainment film. Why can’t you like one kind and also appreciate the other?
You guys are judging Star Wars like it’s supposed to be an art film. You know what else is horrible? SESAME STREET! I tried watching it, the series has absolutely no depth! It’s just a bunch of kindergarden-level humor and quirky info-tainment! It’s almost like I wasn’t even the audience they had in mind. 1/10!
Haha Jirin, you about summed up my reaction to some people on this thread.
I’m pretty sure if a thread about Sesame Street had been started on this thread 9 months ago it would get similar reactions, for good reason.
You guys are judging this thread and site like it’s supposed to be a mainstream film site. You know what else is pretentious? Criterion Forum! I tried going there it, the site never mentions Star Wars! It’s just a bunch of serious film lovers talking about foreign films! It’s almost like I wasn’t even the audience they had in mind. 1/10!
“Apologies accepted, commander.”
Is there a related thread to this one that I somehow missed? What’s the big fuss? Star Wars was great, Empire Strikes Back was better, Return of the Jedi was worse. Everyone ready to wipe their noses and move on? Right.
“Mos Eisley spaceport: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.”
Now, isn’t that greatest setup line in science fiction history?
“Now, isn’t that greatest setup line in science fiction history?”
Well, I prefer a line from Season 4 of Babylon 5, when Sheridan says “forgive me, ambassador, but I’ve heard that before.” Y’all nerds know what i’m talkin’ ’bout.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we”
Well, it does seem like a galaxy far, far away.
For what it’s worth, I personally don’t distinguish “art” from “entertainment.” If I really wanted to, I could argue for hours on end why Star Wars is as much an artistic accomplishment as Citizen Kane (of course I don’t want to). For me, there isn’t “high” or “low” art, just good and bad.
However I do have a tidbit of criteria for what constitutes as “art.” I keep it pretty simple because art is such a meaningless word to begin with, but if something is being expressed in a legitimate and passionate fashion, then sure, it’s art. Now there is something to be said for accessibility and audience, and that’s where the “entertainment vs. art” dichotomy comes in, but eh, I can’t help but give the creators the benefit of the doubt.
Again, that’s just me.
But Seth, you were the first to bring up any distinction between high and low, everyone else seems focused on good and bad. In fact, movies have never really been considered “high” art the way other arts have, they’ve always leaned more towards the low part of the scale, I don’t mean in achievement but in perception. Believe me, Harold Bloom and the curators at The Louvre don’t really take the medium all that seriously. They should, but they don’t for many reasons.
How and why do yo have a criteria for a word you think is meaningless? If you are distinguishing between what is “a legitimate and passionate fashion” and what isn’t, then you must see the difference as being meaningful.
I really think you have just as strong an opinion about what is good and bad as the others on this thread but for some reason you have decided that their opinion that Star Wars is bad is based in something other than critical judgement. Why is that?
I think you may have misinterpreted me in a few places, or I was unclear (the latter is most probable; message board discussions are not my strongpoint :P). My original comments were reactionary; I think I was pretty clearly against such “high” and “low” designation from the start, defending Star Wars’s place on the Auteurs despite it being a non “arty” film.
And as for art being a meaningless word, I only meant that there is no real, finite meaning. Everyone has their own personal definitions. So a better description would have been “personal.”
Your last paragraph puzzles me a bit, because I did indeed just say that I believe in good and bad art, so I’m not sure why you are pointing this out. Unless I’m reading this wrong? And I must correct you slightly: the discussion of whether or not Star Wars was good or bad never came up. The original posts in question did not express their opinion on the quality of the film, but that it was not worthy for discussion on a site such as The Auteurs. At least that is how I interpreted their text, and based my reactions. Anyway, this issue was resolved when you pointed out the date of those comments, posted during the website’s infancy.
Interesting how a topic called “IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY… – STAR WARS QUOTATIONS” turns into a heated debate about the definition of art.
Sorry to interrupt the meaning of art discussion.
“Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops boy.”
Star Wars is a waste of time!
I didn’t say it, Seth, it was Ray Carney!!! ;)