“The film will track a woman’s erotic life from “zero to the age of 50,” producer Peter Aalbæk Jensen tells Screen, during eight chapters of varying graphic explicitness. "
More ape-like bashing towards women Lars? You’ll make me question my love for Breaking the Waves…
…and why up until the age of 50? I thought you were more progressive Lars, women do have sex in their old age too you know…
<…and why up until the age of 50? I thought you were more progressive Lars, women do have sex in their old age too you know…>>
Yes, but do you really want to see that?
^ Ummm…our society has become a pile of conservative ramble and if you can’t handle a 60-year old feeling horny with a man, then it’s obvious why people still won’t accept the simple fact that fat women have a wonderful figure and have turned “beauty” and “image” as a 20 to 30-year old “privilege” for the skinny whores.
So if Lars wants to play all dandy and feminist on my face, he’ll have to break some society taboos and not enhance them…
If I was here earlier, I would have said something similar to Vincent, except I would have said “that would not sell”. Although, I do find it rather disturbing that people like Vincent find a sexually active 60 year old more disturbing than a 0 year old or a 10 year old or a 14 year old sexually active girl.
Although, Dimitris, I do have to take exception with something you are saying. Feminism is not just about equality between genders, but also equality within genders. That means loving, appreciating and respecting everyone, including those you have so affectionately termed “skinny whores”. I am sure you did not mean anything bad by that statement, but differentiating between people like that is counterproductive to the feminist movement.
As for the actual subject, there are very few von Trier films that I actually really like, but all of his films and his personality truly fascinate me. He hates his audience and his critics (and he is not shy about showing it) and he wants to keep creating and talking until he is kicked out or self-destructs, a bit like Tod Browning. He is one of the directors who so embodies the auteurist philosophy that Sarris spoke of, in that not only do all of his films share a similar trait, but he himself has become part of this trait. It`s interesting!
“I am sure you did not mean anything bad by that statement, but differentiating between people like that is counterproductive to the feminist movement.”
I won’t disagree with your notion Shakha but likewise with our current democracy, I have the damn right to differentiate as often as I want when most men and women have procured a “skinny females for the magazines and fashion industry” policy. I appreciate women of all shapes and ages but I have the right to curse the philosophy of being “young and skinny” anytime I want as long as this philosophy exists within the core of FAMILIES and COMMUNES. It’s neither counterproductive nor discriminatory: it’s the bittersweet truth for all girls who don’t feel beautiful and especially the over 50 women who’ve always been chubby and have never had the desirable sex life since they were either insecure or were against the social norms and male preferences, with the everyday exceptions of course..
“If I was here earlier, I would have said something similar to Vincent, except I would have said “that would not sell”.”
Not necessarily though, Andreas Dresen did this with Cloud 9 and it sold quite well. Dimitris is right though, it’s still a social taboo which rarely gets depicted in films.
oh wow, aren’t we politically correct?
your assumptions are interesting as they are morally suspect as you criticize me on not wanting to see women over 50 having sex as to having something against them having sex, they are two different issues alltogether. As far as I’m concerned people should have sex until the day they die in whatever fashion that gratifies them as long as it doesn’t hurt others, but the fact whether I would like to watch it in a cinema is my personal choice and freedom to do or not to and not yours to decide for me, especially following that moral highground with a reference to “skinny whores”. I think that statement shows a lot more sexist attitudes, not to mention aggression, than someone who doesn’t have an urge to see old people having sex in movies.
“but the fact whether I would like to watch it in a cinema is my personal choice and freedom to do or not to and not yours to decide for me”
Sure thing but don’t insinuate that there aren’t people who admire the human form in any shape and any age possible after they have matured!
Yes, but do you really want to see that?
Oh yes, that’s very mature on your behalf, keep up your viewing aesthetics with the “good looks” as your society has taught you to believe and differentiate regarding how “beautiful” this and that are…
“I think that statement shows a lot more sexist attitudes, not to mention aggression”
Try learning a thing or two about the psychology of curvier, chubbier and generally fatter women and how many of them are actually proud of their figure and then discuss with me whether I’m a sexist or not. Crawl back into your hole ignorant philistine and judge me after you’ve read a thing or two about social brainwashing.
“oh wow, aren’t we politically correct?”
I fear to think what’s politically incorrect for you and how you twist words and definitions…
<<Sure thing but don’t insinuate that there aren’t people who admire the human form in any shape and any age possible after they have matured!>>
I posed a question, you and I obviously have a different answer to that question. You don’t know me so accusing me of insinuating stuff is simply you making assumptions about somebody and creating your own subtext to a question of which you think I prescribe everybody to share a singular view about something while in fact it is you who insists on that.
<<Yes, but do you really want to see that?
Oh yes, that’s very mature on your behalf, keep up your viewing aesthetics with the “good looks” as your society has taught you to believe and differentiate regarding how “beautiful” this and that are…>>
How mature is it to assume that when somebody doesn’t share your aesthetic, obviously he must have been programmed by society.
<<Try learning a thing or two about the psychology of curvier, chubbier and generally fatter women and how many of them are actually proud of their figure and then discuss with me whether I’m a sexist or not. Crawl back into your hole ignorant philistine and judge me after you’ve read a thing or two about social brainwashing.>>
Oops, going off the deep end here, aren’t we? Take a pill mate and breath deeply and slowly.
The brainwashing is all yours as a sign of brainwashing is the inability to accept any view different from your own and clinging to a belief like a programmed robot. Furthermore you don’t apologize for calling skinny women whores, so obviously for you that’s a perfectly acceptable term to describe women with, so who’s being a hypocrite here? I’m not judging you, you can have whatever views you care to, I’m just pointing out that my disagreement with them and some odd falacies in your argument.
A person calling some women whores shouldn’t lecture others about the way they see other women, but that’s just my view, mind you and starting name caling when somebody points this out to you, doesn;t actually help keep you on that moral highground you seem to have erected for yourself but which is sinking fast into the swamp of your own prejudices with every reply you post, so please stop slinging mud, it doesn’t help your position.
<<I fear to think what’s politically incorrect for you and how you twist words and definitions…>>
Yes, you get that a lot, don’t you?
The fact you even formed a question about that topic (it could have been another one and not myself as the target of it) obviously shows out the aesthetics you and so many like you share alike.
“of which you think I prescribe everybody to share a singular view about something”
That something which in fact is the unpleasantness of admiring an older individual feeling sexually abundant with himself/herself is already inscribed in the majority of the world’s brains and they wouldn’t need your help anyway to inherit such a defiling viewpoint. It already exists and in a large number of older people too. Don’t contradict me when you know nothing about statistics on such a topic. Yes, not something, we’re discussing a topic here, I criticize you on that, not whether you’re good at physics or latin, learn to read and don’t GENERALIZE.
“How mature is it to assume that when somebody doesn’t share your aesthetic, obviously he must have been programmed by society.”
Most people who don’t think fat women are hot (they are) and don’t think 50+ individuals can have an acceptable part in sexual and beauty aesthetics ARE indeed programmed by a fucked up social mentality that starts from a young age and progresses into “maturity”. It happens in all societies and it was imposed on me too when I was younger but thankfully, I avoided it.
“A person calling some women whores shouldn’t lecture others about the way they see other women”
Please learn to distinguish my philosophy in that. If you think that me calling skinny women “whores” is simply a sexist issue, you’ve read nothing about philosophy/psychology/sexuality and are generalizing as usual in this thread. Equality ceases to exist when aye…skinny women are the Model of Perfect Beauty in a fucked up society you and I live in…..and please don’t tell me they didn’t brainwash you to see women = beautiful = thin, the Capitalist Triangle of Beauty. Unless you’re a new breed of human who wasn’t influenced nor heard anything about the pop culture of his society…
“on that moral highground”
Morality is invisible when segregation and racist aesthetics exist in humans like you. Judging me about my morality is like someone judging me on why I don’t vote and why I shouldn’t be a citizen because I don’t vote. These individuals who criticize me like that are uneducated zeros.
“I’m not judging you, you ca have whatever views you care to, I’m just pointing out my disagreement with them and some odd falacies in your argument.”
By calling me sexist on a topic I have much more to offer and many more truths to tell than you have means you ARE judging me. Learn your vocabulary boy.
“The brainwashing is all yours as a sign of brainwashing is the inability to accept any view different from your own and clinging to a belief like a programmed robot.”
I’m against any type of programmed discrimination and unfortunately, observing people feeling “uncomfortable” to watch older bodies and affection means that I’m not the one who’s programmed to act like a flock of sheep acts like. You should avoid nudism, you’ll probably won’t want to see human bodies as they are since in your viewpoint, you choose what type of nude bodies you want to view when in reality, the human body is a marvel to behold in any shape, size and AGE! No wonder nudity has been a sexual “privilege” for the under 40’s…
<<That something which in fact is the unpleasantness of admiring an older individual feeling sexually abundant with himself/herself is already inscribed in the majority of the world’s brains and they wouldn’t need your help anyway to inherit such a defiling viewpoint. It already exists and in a large number of older people too.>>
I’m not denying nor did I ever, that there is a widely held view on this topic. I’m just saying I don’t need to see the sexual activitties of old people in a cinema, which is what my post was about, that you turn it into the issue of how we should admire the human body in whatever shape or form and that society has formed a taboo on this, is your doing and a case of bad reading on your part, since it was more convenient I expect.
<< Don’t contradict me when you know nothing about statistics on such a topic. >>
How do you know what I know, and falling back on knowledge of statistics as a basis for an argument, is rather weak I think.
<<Yes, not something, we’re discussing a topic here, I criticize you on that, not whether you’re good at physics or latin, learn to read and don’t GENERALIZE.>>
I’m only giving my personal view; it’s you who insists I don’t know statistics, am programmed by society etc. etc., so who’s generalizing here?
<<Most people who don’t think fat women are hot (they are) and don’t think 50+ individuals can have an acceptable part in sexual and beauty aesthetics ARE indeed programmed by a fucked up social mentality that starts from a young age and progresses into “maturity”. It happens in all societies and it was imposed on me too when I was younger but thankfully, I avoided it.>>
You are doing the same: you IMPOSE on other people they should admire the human form in all shapes and sizes. It’s the same as with some subcultures that accuse society of demanding conformity and then make up this whole set of rules of their own anyone should adhere to to be “acceptable” themselves. It’s the very mentality they object to, simply in reverse.
<<If you think that me calling skinny women “whores” is simply a sexist issue, you’ve read nothing about philosophy/psychology/sexuality and are generalizing as usual in this thread. >>
Giving a fancy label to something doesn’t validate it any better. That you have a philosophic, psychological or sexual motivation for calling skinny women makes the insult acceptable? You mean there is a context conceivable in which calling skinny women whores is justifiable?
Hmm.
<<Equality ceases to exist when aye…skinny women are the Model of Perfect Beauty in a fucked up society you and I live in…..and please don’t tell me they didn’t brainwash you to see women = beautiful = thin, the Capitalist Triangle of Beauty. Unless you’re a new breed of human who wasn’t influenced nor heard anything about the pop culture of his society…
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Many interesting adjectives in this, but never mind, I’ll save you the pop psychology. Sure, I see how media project a certain body type as “ideal” and how it influences a lot of people’s mindset into what they think “beauty” is. Yes, I did read Naomi Wolf at some point. Doesn’t mean I’m either programmed or the other way therefore SHOULD admire the human body in any shape or form. No, I do not agree with the image the media projects, nor did I ever feel “coerced” or “programmed” to. I’ve enjoyed the intimate company of women of various ages and body types, beauty to me comes from a different place. Still doesn’t make me want to see old people having sex in a cinema, but I would never tell other people to not see said movie, nor would I avoid it simply for that reason, unless it would be the sole topic of the movie.
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Okay, back to the name calling again, you are rather repetitive aren’t you? Anyway, you are the seggregator as you divide people into categories of the little robot people society creates and the enlightened spirits that think like you.
Where did this discussion become about race? Discrimination, perhaps, but that also is more your doing in differentiating between on the one hand 50+ and fat people and on the other hand skinny whores. You’re doing the very thing you blame society of doing.
<<Judging me about my morality is like someone judging me on why I don’t vote and why I shouldn’t be a citizen because I don’t vote. These individuals who criticize me like that are uneducated zeros.>>
Who’s judging here now, you poor man. Yes, I do think calling skinny women whores, from whatever philosophical, psychological or sexual motivation, an immoral statement. I’m not calling you immoral, that’s also an assumption you made perceiving criticism of opinion as a personal attack (calling yourself a “target”). It’s a bit paranoid and you give yourself a bit too much credit there. I’d suggest toning down the self-righteousness a tad if I’d feel there was any point to it.
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By calling me sexist on a topic I have much more to offer and many more truths to tell than you have means you ARE judging me. Learn your vocabulary boy.
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Okay, this is interesting. You presume you know more than me on a topic, have more to offer so therefore I shouldn’t call your remark sexist??? We are full of ourselves aren’t we. You can call me a boy off course, but I think we both know who is responding like a child having a tantrum.
But I think we both know who is doing the judging here, which is interesting coming from someone who keeps jumping up and down on the barricades against a judgmental society.
<<I’m against any type of programmed discrimination and unfortunately, feeling “uncomfortable” to watch older bodies and affection means that I’m not the one who’s programmed to act like a flock of sheep acts like.>>
I don’t feel uncomfortable watching it, just don’t have a predeliction for it.
<<since in your viewpoint, you choose what type of nude bodies you want to view >>
Yes, how dare I, we should all ask Dimitri what we should enjoy watching as he has statistics, in general more to offer and knows more truths so who are we to question?
“I’m just saying I don’t need to see the sexual activitties of old people in a cinema”
So why did you ask this moronic question in the first place? Why did you have to show how much of a social racist you are?
“How do you know what I know, and falling back on knowledge of statistics as a basis for an argument, is rather weak I think.”
Whether it’s weak or strong doesn’t allow you to be condescending since you’re negatively biased to begin with in this topic/argument about the sexual liberties of older people on screen.
“I’m only giving my personal view; it’s you who insists I don’t know statistics, am programmed by society etc. etc., so who’s generalizing here?”
I never generalized beyond this topic, learn the difference pitiful citizen.
“You are doing the same: you IMPOSE on other people they should admire the human form in all shapes and sizes. "
I don’t impose anything: my goal is to finally create an equal universe of opinions and perception. If you’ve read this the wrong way, that’s not my fucking problem boy.
“Giving a fancy label to something doesn’t validate it any better. That you have a philosophic, psychological or sexual motivation for calling skinny women makes the insult acceptable? You mean there is a context conceivable in which calling skinny women whores is justifiable?
Hmm.”
Are you actually implying that this little phrase of mine represents my opinions on women? That I’m “labeling”? What are you, some sort of pseudo-feminist? Wake up and read pathetic loser.
“I’ve enjoyed the intimate company of women of various ages and body types, beauty to me comes from a different place.”
Many people enjoy the company of women of older age/fatter characteristics and still aren’t pleased with the looks of them, either in reality or in a work of art. Their sexual encounters CAN be different to their philosophy about it. I suppose you are the exception though where beauty comes from a different “visual” place but I guess it’s always different when the visual becomes practical?
“you are rather repetitive aren’t you?”
You are rather repetitive yourself for sticking into one quota from an individual. How old are you, a 40-year old middle-class piece of manure?
“Anyway, you are the seggregator as you divide people into categories of the little robot people society creates and the enlightened spirits that think like you.”
I speak truths as I see them and people who think with a mentality like yours are indeed remote-controlled by the spirit of CONSERVATISM in every single society of this world but blind people like you deny the fact that all democratic societies of this planet are as corrupt as the religious, financial and political systems they represent. Segregations like “choosing what body to view” derive from Social Institutions and customs from families, friends and structures.
“Where did this discussion become about race?”
Social racism exists in all cores of social development and well-being of human creatures and that includes the social racism of shapes, sizes and ages. You certainly have no idea about definitions and political distinctions, do you?
“an immoral statement. I’m not calling you immoral”
Self-proclaiming I’m a target wasn’t a negative aspect, you insinuated it just now. But I’m evidently a target since you can’t seem to accept how stuffed you are from the social legislations ongoing for centuries now. By merely sticking to one statement of mine, you are insulting me and implying I’m immoral when you have no idea about morality since it has died ever since opinions like yours are the MAJORITY OF OPINIONS around this fucking earth.
“You can call me a boy off course, but I think we both know who is responding like a child having a tantrum.”
You are a boy because you have the opinions of a brainwashed boy. Comparing me to a child having a tantrum means you can actually see how I act but that’s impossible, so you argument is completely irrelevant and as usual, worthless.
“how dare I”
Choosing and being biased about the human form means you don’t have respect for EVERY SHAPE AND AGE of the human form. I have no respect for such human beings who “prefer” bodies just because their eye doesn’t have the insight in admiring these bodies. You just had to ask this moronic question though and bring in this topic how the majorities feel about nakedness in age and shape. You couldn’t keep it to yourself, we just had to hear one more time, as if we don’t hear it enough from managers, reporters, producers and all those snakes who deal with “image” in our society.
Predilection: a tendency to think favorably of something in particular; partiality; preference
aka biased about the human bodies, shapes and ages alike as is the case with the majority of people who don’t feel uncomfortable but who would obviously prefer to watch their Miss Universe pageant instead since they’re “predilected” to that kind of shape and OF COURSE age…
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Whether it’s weak or strong doesn’t allow you to be condescending since you’re negatively biased to begin with in this topic/argument about .
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First of all you don’t determine what I say or how I say it and “the sexual liberties of older people on screen”
I don’t have a beef with, I just reserve the liberty whether to go to a cinema or not to go and see it, which you conveniently turn into a political act of conformity, just because you can’t conceive of the possibilty that one would choose freely to not want to watch it unless society decided it for you.
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I never generalized beyond this topic, learn the difference pitiful citizen.
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Ah, limited generalization, that’s ok then. Pitiful citizen? Wow, next thing you’ll say is that “The Matrix has You!!!”.
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I speak truths as I see them
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That’s rather a contradiction of terms, isn’t it?
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and people who think with a mentality like yours are indeed remote-controlled by the spirit of CONSERVATISM in every single society of this world but blind people like you deny the fact that all democratic societies of this planet are as corrupt as the religious, financial and political systems they represent.
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Now come on, you promised only to generalize within this topic.
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Segregations like “choosing what body to view” derive from Social Institutions and customs from families, friends and structures.
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As opposed to people telling me I should change what I like and don’t like … hey.. wait a minute…
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I don’t impose anything: my goal is to finally create an equal universe of opinions and perception.
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Ah right and you go about achieving this goal by insulting everybody of a different opinion and call them names and say they are programmed robots and deluded and if we criticize you, we just read it wrong.
Yep, that will work.
I think that’s pretty much in line with what any organized political institution and/or religion advocates and testifies to, so how are you different? Let’s just say, I don’t see much equality coming from your end , so I’m wondering what’s the plan here Dmitri?
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Are you actually implying that this little phrase of mine represents my opinions on women? That I’m “labeling”? What are you, some sort of pseudo-feminist? Wake up and read pathetic loser.
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Ouch, hit a nerve there I think. Sorry Dmitri, but describing calling skinny women whores as “a little phrase” is rather worriesome. I didn’t say it describes your opinion on women, but as you did nothing to explain why you consider skinny women whores in a debate concerning women and their portrayal, one can’t help but wonder.
And calling me a pathetic loser will not make it go away either.
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Many people enjoy the company of women of older age/fatter characteristics and still aren’t pleased with the looks of them, either in reality or in a work of art.
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Really, well is that a new subcategory of people then? I hope I fit in.
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Their sexual encounters CAN be different to their philosophy about it. I suppose you are the exception though where beauty comes from a different “visual” place
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The word “visual” was added by you, you don’t mind twisting words a little do you now?
Ok, her comes the cliche: what I obviously, to any halfwit that is, meant was that beauty is not just physical and that at times we choose who we are close with not just based on their outward appearance.
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but I guess it’s always different when the visual becomes practical?
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That’s a pretty viscious insult Dmitri, low, even for you, but I guess it’s what happens when insults are all you have left.
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Social racism exists in all cores of social development and well-being of human creatures and that includes the social racism of shapes, sizes and ages. You certainly have no idea about definitions and political distinctions, do you?
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Just because I don’t ascribe to yours doesn’t mean I don’t have them, you just don’t share them, which, believe me, is a relief to no end.
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But I’m evidently a target since you can’t seem to accept how stuffed you are from the social legislations ongoing for centuries now. By merely sticking to one statement of mine, you are insulting me and implying I’m immoral when you have no idea about morality since it has died ever since opinions like yours are the MAJORITY OF OPINIONS around this fucking earth.
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Well, what’s it going to be now Dmitri, if morality has died, that makes you immoral now or does it not? I mean you are or you arent, or you mean people like me aren’t and just you are, you know the kind of people free of prejudice and simply want justice and equality for all. I guess what we need is a strong leader who makes us realize how wrong we were. Could it be you Dmitri, could it?
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You are a boy because you have the opinions of a brainwashed boy. Comparing me to a child having a tantrum means you can actually see how I act but that’s impossible, so you argument is completely irrelevant and as usual, worthless.
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I do not wish to see how you act, frankly the idea is a bit scary, I only respond to what you say which is on a level of the qualities you ascribe to me. You’re a slave to your preconceptions and counter societies’ with your own and think that way you contribute anything?
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Choosing and being biased about the human form means you don’t have respect for EVERY SHAPE AND AGE of the human form. I have no respect for such human beings who “prefer” bodies just because their eye doesn’t have the insight in admiring these bodies.
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Choosing is not equal to being biased just because you think it is and certainly not equal to having no respect. Especially interesting statement as you continue with how you dont respect people who prefer cetain types of bodies. Why do you keep doing that? You come up with these statements and in the next sentence you completely invalidate it with your own opinions. Rather odd.
So Dmitri, let me just finish on my part (but feel free to retort and insult me some more in your strive to “create an equal universe of opinions and perception”), because I think we’ve been on this roundabout enough I wouldn’t want to get boring. Let me just say, I really don’t mind you’re over 50 and overweight, I just don’t want to watch you have sex on screen, really, that’s all it is.
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I don’t know what to think about Von Trier. His flirt with kitsch, the annoying Scando-English in his films. Watching his films sometimes feels like going into torture.
Gotta love that title,.
I really think Lars is simply going to make a film about a woman with an addiction to sex. Lars projects himself into his female characters more than his male ones, so I get the feeling……….
hmm….NOW I remember why I left this place.
Oh right, this topic. Yeah, I’m excited for whatever Lars does. It should be fun! lol
So it looks like Charlotte Gainsbourg is in talks for the starring role.
Even stranger it appears she’s going to be in a French remake of Humpday as well with her partner Yvan Attal (co-starring Asia Argento). Seriously? Did that film need to be remade? (especially since we’re usually bashing Americans for remaking other country’s films).
Off topic, but since when Dmitris did change his last name?
The main character will probably end up being dismembered, murdered or executed at age 50 as a result of her “nymphomania.” I run hot and cold with von Trier, but I think I may sit this one out. I can’t bring myself to see Antichrist as of yet, and I am pretty tough!
i’d like to see Emma Watson do a film with Von Trier. If anyone can make her truly act, it’s him.
Charlotte Gainsbourg is going to star in the film but who will play her as a teen?
Emma Watson Is a possibility so is Dakota Fanning with dyed dark hair
either that or some unknown….
@ BRENTOS
I’d put money on that!
Lars is planning on doing hardcore penetration shots so I don’t think Emma Watson or Dakota Fanning would go anywhere near this film even if they used body doubles (which I’m sure they will).
so this is for real? von trier is making a porn film? why am i not surprised
Just because something has explicit sex doesn’t make it a porn film. Lars has had explicit images before so it’s nothing new? Who can forget the penetration shot in Antichrist? I hear than a man stands in the shower nude with an erection in the Idiots as well……..
Lars is actually responsible for spearheading a large number of female-friendly porn films in Europe. You can read about it on the Wikipedia page about him here. Lars is actually indirectly responsible in part for the legalization of pornography in Norway.
so… he makes pornographic films but this isn’t one? care to explain the difference?
He hasn’t made any films directly but his company Zentropa does produce them. Pornography is used for titillation and if it isn’t arousing then it doesn’t fit my (and many others) definitions of pornography. This film will have an established plot and developed characters.This is much more development than your typical pizza boy and lonely housewife scenario, if you know what I mean.
JapeMan
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2011/08/01/lars_von_triers_next_is_nymphomaniac_something_which_could_generate_some_pr/
if Lars didn’t piss enough people off with Antichrist and his Hitler lovin’…. Now he’s gonna make a movie about a woman’s sex life from infancy to adulthood?
Yeah, that’s not controversial at all (sarcasm)
but he’s still Lars and you gotta love him for that. It’s the logical next step….