You should have showed me a better clip because your argument is that Locker is woefully underrated (probably after being too highly overrated, so the truth is in the middle somewhere). Your argument is also that Locker is one of the best prospects of the last 5 years or so (which aint that long). So maybe the reason he is underrated is because people are used to seeing mediocre clips of him that don’t impress. And again, his losing record surely doesn’t help.
Why isn’t Vick a good comparison? He came out in basically the same era that Locker is playing in. You want to argue that Locker is a superior athlete who can get it done with his feet. So how does he compare to Vick? You want to argue that Locker has a cannon for an arm. How does his cannon compare to Vick’s? You want to argue that Locker has no help alongside him. Vick basically did it all by himself against Fla State in the championship game. But now you’re not putting Locker on a pedestal, even though you steady say he may be the most promising qb you’ve ever seen…since Bradford?? That was last year! Whoa Nellie! Such a passage of time. Maybe Locker’s the best qb prospect I’VE ever seen in a whole year’s time. I guess I can co-sign that.
You want to argue that Locker can dominate with his legs and never shies away from contact, but when I bring up a contemporary qb like Newton who does that better, that’s not a good comparison either. Maybe Locker’s athleticism is “NFL athleticism” and Newton’s is some other kind of athleticism. And you got some nerve talking about Newton’s lack of game-winning drives when Locker can’t win a game to save his life and has a pathetic sub-500 record. I know, I know. It’s his team’s fault.
Cam benefits from playing on a good team. Riiiiight. He doesn’t have anything to do with that greatness. He’s a simple beneficiary. Locker plays on a sad sack of a team. It’s all their fault for holding him back from achieving his true greatness. Wish I knew him. I could have warned him about UW!
I agree Newton isn’t the best NFL prospect. Maybe Mallet isn’t either. He might actually be too big. Maybe just a huge target sitting back there waiting to get chopped down to size. Plus he doesn’t seem to rise to the occasion in big-time games. But wins don’t matter, right? So we’ll scratch that for the time being.
I haven’t seen too many stupid and inaccurate throws from Newton. Last I checked he’s throwing for almost 70% with a 21/6 ratio. How’s Locker doing? And what are Newton’s glaring character issues? Don’t bring up money, because then you’ll open up a can of worms that’s much bigger than Newton. So what do you want to talk about? Some stupid laptop that someone probably gave him for free? He’s a menace to society! Lock him up like Vick! Oops, bad comparison again. Let’s get back to talking about the White Vick.
Hindsight is 20/20. You probably had Russell number 1 on your draft board. And after Rodgers started doing good you claimed you were behind him the whole time, right? Every one of your prospective picks is spot on. I hope you’re working for a franchise now instead of spending your time on a movie-related website. If Locker gets drafted number 1 you’ll probably scream all day and night “I told you so!” Then if he sits for a season you’ll stay quiet. If he gets limited action you’ll still stay quiet. If he starts doing good a few years down the line like Rodgers did, “I told you so!! Jakey-boy!!” If he turns out to be a bust, “Well…I wasn’t putting him on a pedestal or anything. I just said he was the most PROMISING I’ve ever seen.”
“You should have showed me a better clip because your argument is that Locker is woefully underrated (probably after being too highly overrated, so the truth is in the middle somewhere). Your argument is also that Locker is one of the best prospects of the last 5 years or so (which aint that long). So maybe the reason he is underrated is because people are used to seeing mediocre clips of him that don’t impress. And again, his losing record surely doesn’t help.”
You’re not getting this through your head…I showed you a mediocre game to not be biased. It would be biased if I showed you a highlight tape or a great game because that makes him look better than he really is. I showed that one because it shows his flaws too, and I’m letting you see one where he isn’t fantastic (because no QB prospect is fantastic every game). I don’t understand why you still don’t get that…Not all of his games are mediocre. This game was just one that showed him make mistakes and make great throws, like any QB prospect does. He’s had some bad games and some great games just like any other QB.
“Why isn’t Vick a good comparison? He came out in basically the same era that Locker is playing in. You want to argue that Locker is a superior athlete who can get it done with his feet. So how does he compare to Vick? You want to argue that Locker has a cannon for an arm. How does his cannon compare to Vick’s? You want to argue that Locker has no help alongside him. Vick basically did it all by himself against Fla State in the championship game. But now you’re not putting Locker on a pedestal, even though you steady say he may be the most promising qb you’ve ever seen…since Bradford?? That was last year! Whoa Nellie! Such a passage of time. Maybe Locker’s the best qb prospect I’VE ever seen in a whole year’s time. I guess I can co-sign that.”
He’s twice the passer and half the runner that Vick was in college, and he has a different body type. Where’s the comparison, lol? How does coming out in the same era matter? Vick came out 10 years before Locker, so why are they similar simply because they came out within a decade of one another? They just don’t have similar play styles. I guess if you’re comparing him to Nu-Vick, he’s a little similar only in his mobility and how he uses it, but that’s about it. Old-Vick was a superior athlete (once again, different body type than Vick anyways) who ONLY got it done with his feet. Locker isn’t nearly as accepting to run as Old-Vick. I never said that Locker had a cannon for an arm, I just said that he has good arm strength. Good just means that he has the arm strength necessary to be a good NFL QB. Just because he didn’t have help in college doesn’t make him immediately comparable. We’ve seen a fair amount of QBs come out in the last decade with no help. But like I said, College-Vick was half the passer and twice the runner so as college prospects, they’re just not similar. I never said that he was the most promising QB I’ve ever seen, I said that he is the best QB prospect since Rivers and in parentheses, maybe Bradford. So what, do you want me to call him tied for the best QB prospect of the last 6 years? I was just acknowledging Bradford because I thought he was pretty close too.
“You want to argue that Locker can dominate with his legs and never shies away from contact, but when I bring up a contemporary qb like Newton who does that better, that’s not a good comparison either. Maybe Locker’s athleticism is “NFL athleticism” and Newton’s is some other kind of athleticism. And you got some nerve talking about Newton’s lack of game-winning drives when Locker can’t win a game to save his life and has a pathetic sub-500 record. I know, I know. It’s his team’s fault.”
Gahhh!!!!!!!!! I never said that Locker could “dominate” with his legs! He’s simply an athletic QB who can run well. He’s no Mike Vick. He just has great mobility and can run well. Newton is 10 times the college runner and will probably be twice the NFL runner too. As for the “NFL athleticism” part, Locker’s type of athleticism is the kind you really look for in an NFL pass first QB. Newton has more of a run-first type of athleticism. Of course, it would be a superior kind of athleticism IF he can put it together as a passer, though that looks much less likely to happen than it does for Locker. And yes, it is his team’s fault. Locker still can get it done better at the end of a game than Newton, it doesn’t matter that Newton has a better record in that department.
“Cam benefits from playing on a good team. Riiiiight. He doesn’t have anything to do with that greatness. He’s a simple beneficiary. Locker plays on a sad sack of a team. It’s all their fault for holding him back from achieving his true greatness. Wish I knew him. I could have warned him about UW!”
Cam does a lot and helps his team in many ways. I’m just pointing out that he wouldn’t have anywhere near the same record if he was playing for UW no matter what. Cam benefits because he gets to be a “winner” (load of shit, really) and he gets more exposure and praise by the media. I’m not trying to say that Cam doesn’t do anything for his team, but this Auburn team would probably be a 9 or 10 win squad without Cam and UW could very well go winless without Locker. But by the way, I highly doubt that Locker regrets going to UW. He has a LONG family history in Washington sports and he’s lived in Washington his whole life. He was a top 100 player and the No. 5 QB coming out of high school, so he obviously could have gone to a much better team. He’s also known as an extremely high character guy, so I can’t see him being a QB who would put blame on anyone but himself by nature.
“I agree Newton isn’t the best NFL prospect. Maybe Mallet isn’t either. He might actually be too big. Maybe just a huge target sitting back there waiting to get chopped down to size. Plus he doesn’t seem to rise to the occasion in big-time games. But wins don’t matter, right? So we’ll scratch that for the time being.”
Mallett is a terrible prospect, frankly. Watch him play. He is basically a Derek Anderson clone, except he plays in a monstrous offense where everyone gets open every play and makes every catch. And about wins, Arkansas does have a good record, but Mallett chokes at the end of games. So that’s why being a “winner” can’t just be attributed to record, ever.
“I haven’t seen too many stupid and inaccurate throws from Newton. Last I checked he’s throwing for almost 70% with a 21/6 ratio. How’s Locker doing? And what are Newton’s glaring character issues? Don’t bring up money, because then you’ll open up a can of worms that’s much bigger than Newton. So what do you want to talk about? Some stupid laptop that someone probably gave him for free? He’s a menace to society! Lock him up like Vick! Oops, bad comparison again. Let’s get back to talking about the White Vick.”
Stats. Are. Irrelevant. Here. Newton is a great college player, of course he’s going to rack up great stats. Graham Harrell and Brian Brohm racked up great stats too. Of course it’s the money thing! Why would I not bring that up? Not a nice thing to have on your resume, exactly.
“Hindsight is 20/20. You probably had Russell number 1 on your draft board. And after Rodgers started doing good you claimed you were behind him the whole time, right? Every one of your prospective picks is spot on. I hope you’re working for a franchise now instead of spending your time on a movie-related website. If Locker gets drafted number 1 you’ll probably scream all day and night “I told you so!” Then if he sits for a season you’ll stay quiet. If he gets limited action you’ll still stay quiet. If he starts doing good a few years down the line like Rodgers did, “I told you so!! Jakey-boy!!” If he turns out to be a bust, “Well…I wasn’t putting him on a pedestal or anything. I just said he was the most PROMISING I’ve ever seen.””
I know hindsight is 20/20, so that’s why I always make my prediction VERY CLEAR BEFORE anything happens. I’m not talking about things I just looked back on later and said “Oh, I had a feeling that would happen!”, it’s the kind of thing where I tell you multiple times, the whole year before the draft, exactly who I think will boom and bust, so that I don’t have hindsight bias. I own up to the people I miss on too. In the case of Russell and Alex Smith, I said both would bust, and I said that Rodgers would boom. Of course you wouldn’t know since I’ve never talked about the draft with you, but thank you so much for your assumptions. A group of friends and I have made the draft a tradition for a long time, so it’s very clear beforehand who you think what of. I have missed on plenty of players. Last year, for example, I said that Devin McCourty would bust and that Colt McCoy would suck. I was completely wrong about both of them. I also said that Jimmy Clausen wouldn’t be good and that Sam Bradford would boom, which I have gotten to my credit. I spent the last 3 years talking about how great Bradford would be in the NFL and talked him up more than anyone, and I was right. The point is, I take credit for what I call and I take credit for what I don’t. I called Rodgers, Russell and Smith correctly and plenty of people (not around here) know that I did before the draft. If Jake Locker is drafted No. 1, I wouldn’t say a word, because it doesn’t support my stance at all. I don’t know why you’d say that. Locker won’t get drafted No. 1 overall this year and I never said he would. If he sits and gets limited action, it doesn’t matter, because you have to wait to see what happens. I’d be completely quiet if either of those things happened. If he does good, then it will be obvious that I called it (since I made my position clear well before the draft). If he does bad, then I’ll admit that I got it wrong. Well, thanks for your immature assumptions, I guess.
I don’t know why you bother with him, Robley. If he were just doing this to troll I wouldn’t be surprised.
Robley just wrote a book.
By the way, add 3 more touchdowns to Newton’s sheet, plus an amazing come-from-behind victory down 24 points in enemy territory in one of the greatest college football rivalries with a national championship berth hanging in the balance. How’s your prognosis of Newton looking now? I know, I know, stats don’t mean anything, numbers always lie and wins count for nothing. At least in college I guess.
What are you so worried about bias for? You’re not a judge and we’re not in court. Show the highlight reel and make me believe he’s the best prospect in 6 years. Let’s see what he does really good and judge him based on that rather than see what he does in a mediocre fashion and compare it to all the other mediocre players out there. I’d watch the Cal game if I could today. We’ll see how Locker does.
How is Locker twice the passer that Vick was in college? Vick averaged about 1600 yards a season and was above 55% on completions. His ratio wasn’t quite 2 to 1 so that kinda sucked (yet he wasn’t in the red). Locker’s barely clinging to a 2 to 1 ratio, barely clinging to 55% and has just over 1700 yards this season. So since numbers don’t matter how do we factor your “twice the passer” claim? I guess we just have to defer to your expert opinion.
I think Newton can put it together. Did you see that spot-on, big-time, small-window outside throw to convert the fourth down that basically won the game for them and saved their season? Did you see him flick his wrist on the deep throw and drop it in his man’s lap for a touchdown? Did you hear Gary Danielson rave about how he’s been telling people all year this guy is a running qb AND a passing qb? His footwork may be a little sloppy and loose but he can work on that and he has upside. None of your critiques of Newton seem to be holding true. He blasted a hole in all of them yesterday. So how much worth do your assessments of Locker have in comparison?
“By the way, add 3 more touchdowns to Newton’s sheet, plus an amazing come-from-behind victory down 24 points in enemy territory in one of the greatest college football rivalries with a national championship berth hanging in the balance. How’s your prognosis of Newton looking now? I know, I know, stats don’t mean anything, numbers always lie and wins count for nothing. At least in college I guess.”
Hasn’t changed at all. The guy had a good performance against a decent defense. Why should it change? Good job wording things to sound better than they really were, by the way, considering that no one scored past 12 minutes in the 4th quarter and Greg McElroy got injured. God, you’re an idiot, honestly…
“What are you so worried about bias for? You’re not a judge and we’re not in court. Show the highlight reel and make me believe he’s the best prospect in 6 years. Let’s see what he does really good and judge him based on that rather than see what he does in a mediocre fashion and compare it to all the other mediocre players out there. I’d watch the Cal game if I could today. We’ll see how Locker does.”
What is wrong with you? It was fair for me to show an OK game by him. One that shows his strengths AND his weaknesses. A FAIR look at a prospect and not a manipulated one. So simple to understand but you still can’t, for some reason. Since you know absolutely NOTHING about judging a QB, you’re supposed to look at a player’s strengths and weaknesses. EVERY QB EVER has strengths and weaknesses. You’re not supposed to judge a QB by his strengths and pretend the weaknesses don’t exist.
“How is Locker twice the passer that Vick was in college? Vick averaged about 1600 yards a season and was above 55% on completions. His ratio wasn’t quite 2 to 1 so that kinda sucked (yet he wasn’t in the red). Locker’s barely clinging to a 2 to 1 ratio, barely clinging to 55% and has just over 1700 yards this season. So since numbers don’t matter how do we factor your “twice the passer” claim? I guess we just have to defer to your expert opinion.”
Look at that! Another example of you running to stats! Let me tell you why you use stats so much, it’s because you legitimately know nothing about football or the QB position, and it’s all you CAN do. You’ve made that painfully clear through the course of this discussion. But let’s look at the stats from each player’s last full season to see how incomparable they really are anyways:
Michael Vick: 54.2 completion %, 1439 yards, 9 touchdowns, 7 interceptions
Jake Locker: 58.2 completion %, 2800 yards, 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions
What a moron…
“I think Newton can put it together. Did you see that spot-on, big-time, small-window outside throw to convert the fourth down that basically won the game for them and saved their season? Did you see him flick his wrist on the deep throw and drop it in his man’s lap for a touchdown? Did you hear Gary Danielson rave about how he’s been telling people all year this guy is a running qb AND a passing qb? His footwork may be a little sloppy and loose but he can work on that and he has upside. None of your critiques of Newton seem to be holding true. He blasted a hole in all of them yesterday. So how much worth do your assessments of Locker have in comparison?”
But what does it matter what you think, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about…I guess a QB making TWO good throws (oh my god!!!!) and an announcer talking him up (like that doesn’t happen with every player all the time no matter what) means he’s great! What an analysis Bobby!
Oh well, I’m done with this argument anyways. You chalk everything up to stats and you don’t have any clue what you’re talking about, really. Your ideals when it comes to the sport are twisted and ridiculous and you can’t grasp the simplest of concepts that I propose to you. You’re clearly a lost cause.
So now Alabama is only a decent defense, when most commentators call theirs one of the best in the nation. Ok. I forgot. Your opinion means more than all the professional commentators combined (at least more than Danielson’s). And what does McElroy’s injury have to do with Newton’s performance? Why does it matter that no one scored at the end of the game when Newton had already led an amazing comeback (WITH McElroy intact)? Good job wording things to sound worse than they really were. Are you implying that McElroy is a better qb than Newton and if he had a chance to lead that last drive, he would have won it for them?
I never said it wasn’t fair for you to show a mediocre Locker video. What are you whining about? I understand you wanted to show a nuanced and balanced view of him. Fine. Great. Mission accomplished. I’ll give you the Nobel Prize later for such a virtuous effort. For now, show me the clips that make him look like the best prospect in 6 years. Because clearly that evidence wasn’t contained in your fair and balanced offering. “Every qb ever has strengths and weaknesses?” Really? Thanks for the enlightenment. I think you deserve another prize for such a brilliant contemplation.
What are you so afraid of stats for? Do you hate it when facts get in the way of your argument? Locker doesn’t even have a 2 to 1 ratio in the stats you gave. At least I gave him a fair shake in that category! His percentage is still average. The yards look great, but yards don’t mean as much as ratios, in my humble opinion. You win games by scoring, not by racking up yards. Oops. Forgot again. Wins don’t matter. Forgive me Mr. Kiper.
By the way, please tell me what it is that shows you know what you’re talking about. I’m more than happy to consider your qualifications. Otherwise, I’ll tend to pay more attention to the professionals than you. Sorry. I know that probably burns you up inside.
The UFL championship game is on VS right now. I’m mostly watching to see kind of vibe they put on for their big game. It feels like any other UFL game, which means i probably won’t make it through the whole thing.
I’m wondering if being high-scoring is supposed to be a selling point of the league, because these teams’ defense sucks.
The graphics & music are pretty hokey, the stadium looks small (it is in Omaha) and Doug Flutie is calling the game. Men’s Wearhouse appears to be the only sponsor or advertiser.
I can’t decide if this is a step up or down from CFL, NFL Europe or arena football.
I’m guessing that anybody who’s home watching tv is watching college games instead of this.
You guessed right. This is rivalry weekend! Can’t compete with that.
I’m not sure this can compete with Pop Warner games.
I bet your college games didn’t have buildingwhat.org commercials.
_ Locker doesn’t even have a 2 to 1 ratio in the stats you gave._
hahahaha what a troll
“So now Alabama is only a decent defense, when most commentators call theirs one of the best in the nation. Ok. I forgot. Your opinion means more than all the professional commentators combined (at least more than Danielson’s). And what does McElroy’s injury have to do with Newton’s performance? Why does it matter that no one scored at the end of the game when Newton had already led an amazing comeback (WITH McElroy intact)? Good job wording things to sound worse than they really were. Are you implying that McElroy is a better qb than Newton and if he had a chance to lead that last drive, he would have won it for them?”
Whatever you say bro. You’re clearly the media’s bitch.
What do you mean what does it have to do with it!? Alabama’s offense and hopes of coming back at all were basically destroyed the moment McElroy got injured. Newton essentially got a free pass for the rest of the game because the injury put it in the bag for Auburn automatically. That’s why he didn’t have to score for the remaining 12 minutes of the game when he damn well would have if he was playing against a McElroy lead offense. Newton did fine and well but wasn’t tested at the end of the game (as you chose to pretend he was) because McElroy, who is not a better QB than Newton but still a good college QB with high levels of poise and leadership, got injured.
Duh.
“I never said it wasn’t fair for you to show a mediocre Locker video. What are you whining about? I understand you wanted to show a nuanced and balanced view of him. Fine. Great. Mission accomplished. I’ll give you the Nobel Prize later for such a virtuous effort. For now, show me the clips that make him look like the best prospect in 6 years. Because clearly that evidence wasn’t contained in your fair and balanced offering. “Every qb ever has strengths and weaknesses?” Really? Thanks for the enlightenment. I think you deserve another prize for such a brilliant contemplation.”
You keep going on about how I should have shown you a great video, but your reasons for why I should have are completely moronic. I’m just trying to break these things down for you real nice and simple like so you can handle them, little buddy.
I’m done explaining this point, by the way, because I’ve broken it down as simple as possible and a first grader could have understood this by now. I give up on you.
“What are you so afraid of stats for? Do you hate it when facts get in the way of your argument? Locker doesn’t even have a 2 to 1 ratio in the stats you gave. At least I gave him a fair shake in that category! His percentage is still average. The yards look great, but yards don’t mean as much as ratios, in my humble opinion. You win games by scoring, not by racking up yards. Oops. Forgot again. Wins don’t matter. Forgive me Mr. Kiper.”
I just hate people who can only make an argument through stats, which is what you just did again…your knowledge of football is…………
“By the way, please tell me what it is that shows you know what you’re talking about. I’m more than happy to consider your qualifications. Otherwise, I’ll tend to pay more attention to the professionals than you. Sorry. I know that probably burns you up inside.”
Ahahaha. I’ll just say that anyone with a functioning brain who has read any portion of this argument can clearly see your incompetence. I’ve been trying to explain your own incompetence to you this entire time, but you obviously don’t have the capacity to understand it. This has already been explained to you thoroughly, Bobby. Maybe you didn’t notice the fact that you’re the one who’s being called a troll right now, if that’s any indication.
Then he wrote the sequel.
^not yet a sequel..most of it he’s quoting someone else :)
Go Reagles!
All the way!
Still a bit silly that it’s gone on this long. At this point they’re just calling each other stupid.
To Stat or not to Stat…THAT is the question!
To stat, or not to stat– that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the arm to suffer
The slings and arrows of ESPN pundits,
Or to take arms against a sea of doubters
And, by opposing, end them. To pass, to run
No more – and by a run to say we end
The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That a heisman nomination is heir to – ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To pass, to rush
To run, perchance to open up play action. Ay, there’s the rub,
For in that play action what long balls may come,
When we have rolled out to our left,
Must give the defense pause. There’s the respect
Of the run that makes calamity in the secondary.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of a balanced offensive game plan,
Th’ coordinator’s wrong, the coach’s correct,
The pangs of a last minute drive, the delay of game,
The insolence of youth, and the spurns
That patient merit of th’ unworthy Jakes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With an empty backfield? Who would offensive linemen bear,
To grunt and sweat under heavy pads,
But that the dread of something after a sack,
The undiscovered playbook from whose bourn
No opponent returns, puzzles the defense
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus football doth make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.—Soft you now!
The fair Jake Locker! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my message board arguments remembered.
^ Nice. A hangover from high school is that I have that passage memorized, and this is really good work.
^Sign that man up! That’s on par with the Beltway Berm…kinda…sorta….not.
Yeah, this is definitely silly and a little past boring. Sorry I got dragged into it and stretched it out so long. Let’s end it. The argument is won. Locker is the greatest qb prospect in the last 6 years. Stats mean nothing and neither do wins. I don’t know anything at all about football and what’s worse, I have the intellect of a first grader. I’m a troll too. It’s settled.
Back to NFL football. Big games today. Green Bay versus Atlanta should settle who’s the best team in the NFC right now. Jax versus NY should settle who are the biggest monkey wrenches in their respective conferences. Tampa versus Baltimore should separate the contenders from the pretenders. Philly versus Chicago should show us who’s ready to make a power move in the NFC. Diego versus Indianapolis should tell us if either of these teams are still elites in the AFC. Interesting game that’s under the radar? KC versus Seattle.
-Green Bay versus Atlanta should settle who’s the best team in the NFC right now.-
Disagree. Chicago has beaten Green Bay; Philadelphia has beaten Atlanta. Forget about the Packers now. Winner of Chicago-Philadelphia is still part of that discussion.
Chicago-Philadelphia
How’s that game looking beyond CHI 21/PHL 13?
Atlanta seems more complete than Philly. I still don’t believe in Chicago. All these teams in question are very much part of the discussion.
-How’s that game looking beyond CHI14/PHL13?-
Philly offense looks good in terms of time of possession, but Vick threw an interception in the end zone when they had a chance to take the lead. Vick running the ball has not been a factor. Philadelphia’s defense so far has not matched up well against Chicago’s passing game.
da bears are kill’n em
Chicago’s passing game
they have one?
I mean, that is good news if they plan on using it against the PATS….Simple formula for beating the Patriots: play the first half of the game that the Lions played against them on Thanksgiving without playing the second half.
Cutler so far this game: 14/19 for 247, 4 TDs, 0 INTs
Matt Forte so far: 12 carries, 116 yards
Looks like Chicago’s trying to pull away from the pack (no pun intended). They may win the division after all.
Robert W Peabody III
If the PATS beat the JETS a week from Monday,
will the PATS be the first team to clinch a playoff slot?