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ot: best philosophy books

Scampi

10 months ago

Lately I’ve been watching on YouTube a fascinating public access program called The Atheist Experience, which is basically people phoning in and debating the existence of god, human morality, theology and religion with the hosts of the show. That coupled with reading a couple of fascinating threads here a few weeks ago started by Jazz (of course…lol) about the concept of intersubjectivity etc. which ended up being really quite philosophical in nature by the end has put me in the mood for more philosophy.

I was wondering what are your favourite books on philosophy/metaphysics/logic/psychology and the like that you’ve come across (judging by some of the responses in the threads mentioned above I can’t believe some of the participants haven’t done some reading in these areas).

I really like Harold Bloom’s “Omens of the Millennium,” Nietzsche’s “the birth of tragedy” and Kierkgaard’s “Purity of Heart is to will One thing”

I don’t know what exactly you’re interested in, but I like these a lot

apursan​sar

10 months ago

Descartes, Meditations
Kant, The Critique of Pure Reason
Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation
Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Kierkegaard, The Sickness unto Death
Bergson, Matter and Memory
Heidegger, Being and Time
Merleau-Ponty, Phenomenology of Perception
Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus
Wittgenstein, Tractatus logico-philosophicus

Rissela​da

-moderator-
10 months ago

apursan​sar lives!!!

I’ve always been interested in philosophy and wanting to read it more, but never know where to start. It seems like so many great works are just so dense and referrential to other works that it’s hard to know where to even start. It’s like joining a conversation that started a long time ago and has all of it’s own lingo and history.

mais1

10 months ago

Frazer – The Golden Bough

apursan​sar

10 months ago

Yes, I´m still alive and posting. I think it´s relatively safe to start with Descartes and Kant since both pretty much challenged the understanding of philosophy and founded a modern way of thinking which subsequently influenced Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and after that the two main schools of thought of the 20th century: phenomenology (Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre) and analytic philosohy (Frege, Russel, Wittgenstein). Some of these are extremely tough reads though, especially reading Kant and Heidegger may require even more time if you rely on a translation, and you can calculate a couple of months for each of them. Schopenhauer for instance is far easier to read, but it makes no sense to start with him unless one has already read the “Critique of Pure Reason” which he he uses as the basis for his own thoughts. In terms of cinematic appreciation I think that Merleau-Ponty´s work is essential, and unlike some other philosophy books it doesn´t require too much previous reading, though it certainly helps to be familiar with Husserl´s main thoughts and Bergson´s understanding of time and duration.

Bijoux Alexand​erplatz

10 months ago

Philosophy of the Undead
The Second Sex

Matt Parks

10 months ago

In addition to the above . . .

Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit
Husserl’s Cartesian Meditations
Habermas’s The Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere
Rorty’s Contingency, Irony and Solidarity
William James’s Pragmatism
Wittgenstein’s Philosophical Investigations
Jean-Luc Nancy’s A Sense of the World

Dennis Brian

10 months ago

Outside of gender politics which is my real area of study

I would recommend all to read:

and

I would avoid all Nietzsche

Waterlo​o Sunset

10 months ago

Dennis Brian

10 months ago

I second that

Rissela​da

-moderator-
10 months ago

I’m interested in Leibniz.

Thanks for the suggestions of where to start apursansar

Matt Parks

10 months ago

You should read Locke before you read Leibniz, though (New Essays is a response to Locke’s ideas).

Dennis Brian

10 months ago

well that might help altho

the sections he is responding to are in the book

Matt Parks

10 months ago

Lazy, Den, very lazy.

Dennis Brian

10 months ago

The inartfullness of the set up is part of the charm of the book, which is structured like a dialog

one person speaks in lengthy Locke qoutes while Leibniz responds to them

Matt Parks

10 months ago

Yeah, unfortunately Locke had the bad form to die before Leibniz could published it, so virtually no one read it until much later. I actually had it on my list as well, but the second half of the list got chopped of. Spinoza’s Ethics is must-read too. Also Hume’s An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding.

Dennis Brian

10 months ago

Leibniz’ conception of God (which Voltaire parodies) is one for the books. I am not a believer but I do very much like his concept of God.

Matt Parks

10 months ago

Yeah . . . at the time it gave people the impression that Leibniz wasn’t a believer either.

Robert W Peabody III

10 months ago

I would avoid all Nietzsche
Probably good advice except for:
Nietzsche as philosopher Danto, Arthur Coleman
Nietzsche and philosophy Deleuze, Gilles.

Matt Parks

10 months ago

After you read the other stuff listed above, Nietzsche is a good way to cleanse the palate.

OlfAudi​o

10 months ago

Unfortunately, the study of philosophy often cannot avoid being a study of the history of philosophy. Most famous philosophic texts start in response to whatever is the dominant ideology of the time and seeks to distinguish itself from that philosophy. (I’m simplifying here but go with me for a moment.) So, if you are interested in philosophy, you might be well served by first reading through a short history of philosophy text so you understand who – INSERT PHILOSOPHER HERE – is responding to. Context will make philosophic assertions easier to understand.

One online resource for this is The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

After having doing so, I recommend not reading about philosophers but actually reading philosophers. Deleuze’s reading of Nietzsche is great … but very Deleuzian (just like his reading of Leibnez and Spinoza.) Read Nietzsche for yourself, through yourself. And I do advocate reading his work.

Also, don’t try to bite off huge texts. Find short entry points. For instance, if you are interested in existentialism try Sartre’s “Existentialism is a Humanism.” Long enough to spark interest. Short enough to finish and go back to living.

Varun Anisett​y

10 months ago

^
That is perfect!

Also “A History of Western Philosophy” by Bertrand Russel is a great book.It gives an overall summary on the history of philosophy.But it is a long book (nearly 1000 pages!).

Oxymoron

10 months ago

Nice topic, sort of a Kenji’s poll for philosophers. Many of the major philosophical works have already been mentioned in the lists by ApurSansar, Matt Parks, and other contributors. I’m taking a very broad definition of the term (including metaphysical in the broadest sense) in my own additions. Here’s my personal take to add to the philosopher’s stew. Sometimes, for me anyway, translations can matter. Where they might, I’ve given a translation I like.


Existentialism from Dostoevsky to Sartre – Walter Kaufmann. I know Existententialism is just about as dead as the dodo, but this was the book that got me started reading philosophy in my teens. It is a great introduction to the subject by a renowned Nietzchean scholar and translator. Of course, after reading this, you need to read some Nietzsche (sorry Dennis).

Nietzsche – Beyond Good and Evil, The Will to Power, On the Genealogy of Morals (Kaufmann translations)

Then on to one of Ingmar Bergman’s favorite writers: Soren Kierkegaard – Either/Or, Fear & Trembling, Repetition, Concluding Unscientific Postscript

Some moderns:
Derrida – The Post Card, Writing & Difference, Dissemination Derrida is for the already initiated into the Knights of the Golden Western Obscurists. He requires an extensive knowledge of Western European philosophy, as he continues in the track of Husserl, Heidegger, and Sartre. But he is an entertaining stylist, even if just jumping in.
Foucault – Madness & Civilization, The Archaeology of Knowledge

Jung is always worth a read, starting with:
Jung – Memories, Dreams, and Reflections

One of my current favorite philosophical books is:

Montaigne – Essays (Translated by Donald M. Frame)
Montaigne’s Essays are still timeless in their understanding of the human soul.

What about Eastern Philosophy?

The Upanishads – Olivelle translation (I think this is the translation I had – the book is now lost)
I Ching – Wilhelm translation
The Way of Chuang Tzu – Thomas Merton translation
Essays in Zen Buddhism – D.T. Suzuki
I had a large collection of books on Zen, but gave them all away. This is the writer that started me out.

Gibran – The Prophet – This was once a sort of New Age manual for hippies in the late 60’s, but it is still a fascinating read.

Joks

10 months ago

App and Matt made good.suggestions but if you live in the anglosphere then you also must read Hobbes(Leviathan) and Mill(On Liberty and Utilitarianism) to understand the type of societies you live in. plus some general reading on emotivism.

I would also suggest reading the cliff notes for Critique Of Pure Reason—it’s a far too difficult read to justify the amount of time spent on understanding it imo— and get stuck into his ethics instead.

Foucaults.A.O.K is a waste of time unless you h already.read his.other works, or at least familiar with his overarching ‘goal’. it is too confusing otherwise.

Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man is also helpful if you want to understand the effects of mass media, consumerism, and instrumental rationality on the public sphere and human development. Weber, although technically a ‘sociologist’, also has much to say about the effects of instrumental rationality that are still very much relevant today.

I also co-sign the historical understanding of philosophy’s development. If you are going to read a lot about ethics—which i is far too often overlooked in philosophy discussions these days—check out Macintyre’s Short HIstory Of Ethics, which is easily one of the most comprehension and critical books ever written about the subject.

Scampi

10 months ago

Well, thanks for all the great suggestions. Obviously I have some catching up to do! As a token of my appreciation here’s a clever little ditty from the guys down under at the philosophy faculty of Woolloomooloo:

Bruces’ Philosophers Song by Monty Python

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya’
’Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates himself was permanently pissed….

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away;
Half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart:
“I drink, therefore I am”

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he’s pissed!

:)

Matt Parks

10 months ago

Also Quine’s Word and Object
Some Donald Davidson would be in order as well, The Essential Davidson probably.

Matt Parks

10 months ago

one more . . .

Lyotard’s The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge

Jazzalo​ha

10 months ago

So no one thinks highly of the Ancient Greeks, huh? I love Plato’s dialogues. Some comments off the top of my head:

>I find them highly readable (except for maybe something like Gorgias)—at least if you like the dialogue format which is done in a informal conversational style;

>Someone mentioned the importance of history. I’m not well-read in philosophy, but my sense is that Plato lays out most of the major issues and concerns that subsequent philsophers will wrestle with (knowledge, being, virtue/ethics, god, etc.).

>I look at the dialogues as the philosophical equivalent of mathematical word problems. I don’t know if this is correct, but I look at the dialogues not so much as fully realized position of Plato, so much as jumping off points for the student of philosophy. For example, some of the arguments and counter-arguments posed by the opponents of the Plato’s/Socrates’ ideas are often weak, imo. But then this sort of goads the reader to come up with a better argument and think about the issue for themselves. I love this aspect! (I’ve wanted to actually take the time to work out arguments on my own, but that would require a lot of time and energy. Still, if you’re in college, I think it would be worth it.)

And I don’t mean to leave out the Pre-Socratic philosophers, Artistotle or the Post-Aristotelian philosophers. (I haven’t gotten to the last two groups).

Matt Parks

10 months ago

Oh sure, the Greeks, and also the Romans (Cicero, Seneca, Plotinus, Boethius, etc.), India, and Iranian philosophers. The Mesopotamian Dialogue of Pessimism . . .