Panned movies that would have been treated better had another director's name been on it...

Obviously, I feel if Dario Argento’s name was on “I Know Who Killed Me” as director, the film would be a helluva lot more respected.

Some that you guys can think of?

Showgirls – Douglas Sirk
Miami Vice – Claire Denis

Ace Ventura- Raul Ruiz It makes as much sense as The Belly of the Whale.And it is as funny.
The Kingdom of Heaven AND Robin Hood- Gaspar Noe- Those movies carved a new one for their investors.
Transformers 1,2,3 – Tsukamoto Mayor Metal Mayhem.

Good call on both your choices Jack. :)

Freddie Got Fingered – Walerian Borowczyk
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The underlying assumption here is pretty cynical.

The Weather Man – Sam Mendes
Pretty Persuasion – Alexander Payne
Igby Goes Down – Noah Baumbach
44 Inch Chest – Roman Polanski
Birth – Roman Polanski
The Anniversary Party – Robert Altman

Very true Matt.

Cynical? Yes.

Unrealistic? Absolutely not.

bah!

If you can’t tell the difference between Glazer and Polanski without peaking, your cinephile credentials should be immediately revoked.

“If you can’t tell the difference between Glazer and Polanski without peaking, your cinephile credentials should be immediately revoked.”

Cant speak on behalf of the others’ choices, but I chose artists who are similar to each other. But most definitely distinct from one another.

Though it is curious that both the films I mentioned are reviled yet accomplish things that their paired artists do just as well. Just a matter of opinion though!

@ Matt

Well none of the movies are going to fit the director’s style 100%. I never said Glazer and Polanski were exactly the same. But I think they’re similar enough that if Birth had been directed by Polanski people wouldn’t have considered it that much of a deviation from his previous style. People would have accepted it.

I meant “you” in the general sense, guys, not you two specifically. Jack, yours are great, and I particularly like Igby Goes Down – Noah Baumbach, Westley. The affinities are interesting, but people would know.

Well, the flip side of that are supposedly good films that would be crap if another directors name were on it, like Eyes Wide Shut

That’s a thought Uli. I mean, personally I love Eyes Wide Shut, but let’s be honest here, it very likely would have been panned even worse than it was if it’d come from from some no-name director.

Hm, I’ll try my hand at this. Forgive me if I’m way off the mark.

The Shadow – Sam Raimi
The Phantom – Chris Columbus
Alpha Dog – Larry Clark
The Fast and the Furious – Katheyrn Bigelow

ernst lubitsch – a cinderella story (hilary duff version)

“Birth – Roman Polanski”

I think you’re doing Jonathan Glazer a disservice there. Birth is significantly better than anything Polanski has made in the last 35 or so years.

“Well, the flip side of that are supposedly good films that would be crap if another directors name were on it, like Eyes Wide Shut”

I still don’t understand your argument for this. You say that the only reason people like it is because it is made by Kubrick. That doesn’t explain, though, why I and many others list it as our favourite Kubrick film, or why people who claim to love Eyes Wide Shut happily slag off other Kubrick films.

I adore Eyes Wide Shut because I find it a genuinely fascinating and beguiling piece of filmmaking. I couldn’t care less that it has Kubrick’s name on it. Spartacus has Kubrick’s name on it and that film is lame.

Just take a moment and imagine what it would be like if these directors had actually helmed these films.

Or, isn’t one of the implications here that these films could have feasibly been made by the given filmmaker and not have displayed too much aesthetic or contextual variation in the end?

DOMINO by Wong Kar Wai. Probably would have been pulled off better and would have been less cynical.

Munich-Olivier Assayas

Cold Mountain-Terrence Malick

“Isn’t one of the implications here that these films could have feasibly been made by the given filmmaker and not have displayed too much aesthetic or contextual variation in the end?”

I’m interpreting it more along the lines of saying “People give a film a certain benefit of the doubt depending on whose name is on it.”

I definitely feel Glazer wasn’t in touch with Polanski with Birth … but Kubrick, actually.

@Matt
I suppose that’s definitely the main idea here, yeah. Still, I wasn’t sure if we were associating these names with the films for any particular reason.

Cause if not, how about…

The Human Centipede 2 by Bela Tarr

@PISCESRISING- “Munich-Olivier Assayas”
Bingo!

Cruising- Fassbinder
Taken- Gaspar Noe- (that hack Manohla Dargis would have wet her knickers)

Almost a year later… hitting this one back up!

Isn’t one of the implications here that these films could have feasibly been made by the given filmmaker and not have displayed too much aesthetic or contextual variation in the end?

People give a film a certain benefit of the doubt depending on whose name is on it.

This was what I was aiming at with this thread. ;)