Who knows…I found the 2012 list even more conservative and backwards thinking than the 2002 list, but I do think (hope?) there will be a backlash against some of the choices in 2012. More films directed by women, more films from the Southern Hemisphere (ie there were zero films from Aus., NZ, South America, or South Africa in the 2012 poll), more films post 1980.* And as much as I love silent films, I think it’s a bit much to have three films from the 1920s in the top ten.
*oh and this goes for the top 50, not just top 25
As for the #1 slot, I don’t think it will be Vertigo anymore, but not sure if it will go back to Citizen Kane. I do think (much like Vertigo before) the reputation of 2001 continues to grow, so that’s a possibility.
Any room for Angelopoulos and will the love for Bresson keep on coming?
No. Yes, Bresson is making the top10 easily, geniuses need a century to get well-rated.
And will In the Mood for Love disappear from the list forever? Yes please!
No, and more love for Master WKW would be nice.
I think the top film will be a masterpiece by Jurgen Kykohlski which he will direct in 2016 and it will change the world. It will sweep through Cannes, it will top 87.4% of the world’s critic’s top ten of the lists, while inexplicably being completely left of the off lists of many US critics. It will take though, both the Best Foreign Language Film and Best Picture at the Oscars and BAFTA. People will leave theatres crying from the profound commentary and pure humanity displayed in the film.
Well, about 2001, I’ve heard lots of critics who hailed it as a masterpiece, which it is, and i though it would probably jump to #3 or #4, but surprisingly it was kept #6, and although that’s a great spot, the real surprise was Sunrise, a great film but without the big buzz I hear of 2001, at #5, so who knows?
And to the OP, I think the new eastern cinema probably has a big chance, some of the best fims of the last two decades came from directors like Wong Kar-wai, Hou Hsiao-Hsien, Jia Zhangke, Apichatpong Weerasethakul, Tsai Ming-liang, Abbas Kiarostami and the late Edward Yang.
I also expect some european names to have a chance: Von Trier, Haneke, Tarr, Almodovar, Denis (I hope not with Beau travail).
Americans… expect Mallick, Lynch and P. T. Anderson.
Too early to say. The trend towards Ozu and Bresson, distinctive auteurism, and for contemplative minimalism was obvious. I hope that peaks soon, (certainly the film school Bresson wannabes) and that next time S& S don’t bother polling so many Anglophone critics and directors with mainly Anglophone favourites, or else the poll will still serve cultural imperialism, dominated by a small number of economically powerful countries.
I didn’t notice in the lists i’ve seen any particular move towards Angelopoulos. Last time Travelling Players did better. Landscape in the Mist seemed to do ok. That’s probably his best known in USA. US taste still has clout. I doubt there will be a significant fall for the relatively recent films like In the Mood for Love, Mulholland Dr, Satantango, as their place quite high in the pantheon now will help establish them as classics and essentials in the minds of more future participants. There was less variety and fewer neglected treasures in the lists i’ve seen than i expected. Conformity is to be challenged. The internet and internationalisation can spread received wisdom as easily as it can alert people to hidden gems.
No surprise Tarkovsky did well. Again, it’s hard to say if he’s peaked, but i would be happy enough for him to carry on up a bit- vastly preferable to the Fellini-Kurosawa-Bergman (“world cinema”) trinity that seems to be less dominant now, with Ozu and Bresson having risen.
I hope left wing films fare better next time. The world needs films that are politically committed against injustice as well as ones that are admirable formally.
I hope Scorsese’s inclusion of Ugetsu Monogatari alerts more US cinephiles and directors to Mizoguchi, but a wide geographical spread is important to me too. Scorsese, to his credit, supported our world cup and has a few less well known films on his home page here..
@ Adrock: yes, the lists were surprisingly conservative and conforming to noticeable trends. Same with life generally it seems. The media are intent on turning us into sheep
1. SCOTT TRILLGRIM VS. THE WORLD
I’m rooting for Rocha.
“Will Vertigo have held off Tokyo Story and Kane’s charge?”
Why not? I don’t think this is the kind of poll that changes radically every 10 years.
Will Tarkovsky’s films climb any higher?
I think they should. So many people respect him as a godlike presence over cinema that I can’t imagine he is not in the top 10. Then again, I also feel that way about Godard.
Any room for Angelopoulos and will the love for Bresson keep on coming?
The love for Bresson will never die. As the saying goes, he is your favorite director’s favorite director. His influence runs multiple levels deep. All these current slow cinema practitioners are trying to be him. He may be the most influential director of the contemporary period.
@Jirin
I’d be ecstatic with the inclusion of a couple Nelson Pereira dos Santos films as well. Sadly, I agree with Kenji in that it’s likely to still be heavily biased towards contemplative minimalism. Obviously, that isn’t synonymous with terrible.
The only great change I expect to see in 10 years is Miyazaki sneaking in as the first/only animated film in the top 50. My Neighbor Totoro or Spirited Away would be the two films that I’d place money on. He has the best chance considering he’s probably the most well known living animated director in the world currently, there is a decent generation of western people growing up with his films outside of Otaku kids, and he maintains the balance of animated whimsy which a lot of people like to pigeon-hole animation in while also addressing a lot serious/favorable issues within his films gracefully.
In another decade the core voters in the 1982, and possibly 1992 and 2002 polls, will likely be retired or, sad to say, dead.
This could bring about a seismic shift in critical opinion and taste. One need look no further than Tarantino’s peculiar list in the current poll. He named Rolling Thunder — at best a little B-movie actioner from his favorite decade, the ‘70s — as one of the 10 greatest films ever made. Sure, maybe he’s just being a contrarian, but suppose he’s being sincere? Regardless, his intentions don’t matter. His votes were counted and tabulated.
There could be some very odd choices popping up on the S&S poll a decade from now.
Myself, I was heartened to see two silent films appear on the current top 10. The Vertigo v. Kane debate seems silly with 35 votes separating the two for the top spot. But as a generation of film critics and filmmakers step up to replace the previous generations, I am wondering if some significant changes could be seen.
Cheers,
Steve
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The more quirky and obscure the film the less chance it has to place on the top 100. There just won’t be enough knowledge about it, let alone supporting votes. Still, it is interesting to see very esoteric choices in personal lists. What they need to do is publish comments from each listmaker, like Criterion does. I imagine that won’t be a problem what with the unlimited space online.
Cinematic Cteve, it sounds like you are against evolution…
Maybe Spirited Away, but you think My Neighbor Totoro cracks the list before Grave of the Fireflies?
@Malik
I haven’t seen anything by those two directors, anything you recommend?
I would say the bias is toward formalism more than minimalism. Andrei Rublev isn’t exactly minimalist.
Is it too soon to start a 2032 thread now?
here is my prediction.
i foresee a big shake up coming.
2001
psycho
citizen kane
the godfather
ordet
bicycle thieves
8 1/2
l’avventura
la regle de jeu
rashomon
to be honest, its basically just about reshuffling films already nominated but thinking about how they might be evaluated in the future, not really about any new additions, unless they bother to challenge their ideas of who should get to vote for these things.
wish they would do some kind of separate poll for those in other countries.
1.2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Vertigo
3. Citizen Kane
4. Sunrise
5. The Rules of the Game
6. Apocalypse Now
7. The Mirror
8. In the Mood for Love
9. The Searchers
10. Jeanne Dielman
Maybe The Tree of Life instead of Jeanne Dielman.
I can’t believe you guys think that Tokyo Story will be going anywhere. That film has done nothing but gain in reputation over the past 20-30 years.
Tree Of Life might crack the top 50 but I doubt it’ll get anywhere near the top 10.
@ Alex…
Actually, evolution is precisely what I am talking about. That’s why I raised the point. As the old guard moves on, new voices will be heard.
I’m not taking a position beyond the current poll, which contains two silent films I happen to enjoy. Also, Vertigo and Kane are two of my favorites. The fact that only 35 votes separate them in the current poll is a testament to their excellence and the fifficulty facing the voters in choosing one to be number one.
If you want a stance, then I will say that Rolling Thunder is a silly film and Tarantino was a man-child for selecting it. If that is “evolution” then the world of cinema is in trouble. But cinema is not in trouble because a vote for Rolling Thunder isn’t evolution; it is a mere anomaly.
@ Jirin. Agreed on Tree of Life.
Cheers,
Steve
Mulholland Drive in the top ten!!
I hope…
It would be hilarious to have a movie in the top ten that was originally written as a TV pilot. Go Mulholland!
Hey Twin Peaks pilot got theatrically released in europe for a long time I had it on my top 10 all time…..
But that’s a strong exception imo, Tarantino is a crazy dude, you can’t never take him seriously.
@Jirin
I would definitely see My Neighbor Totoro cracking it before Grave of the Fireflies. There’s a extreme preference for auteurs and Miyazaki has that perception far more than Takahata who is just known for Grave of the Fireflies despite making several other great films.
For Nelson Pereira dos Santos I’d recommend Rio 40 Degrees, How Tasty Was My Little Frenchman, and Barren Lives.
For Rocha I’d recommend Entranced Earth and Black God, White Devil. I’ve seen very little of his work.
Totoro is my top 10 all time, how many crusty old critics do I need to bump off to make this happen?
I think the films of Jean-Luc Godard will rank higher (especially considering it’s possible he will be dead by 2022). Also I’d like to see more Bela Tarr films (Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies especially) featured.
thesamuelcooke
I know it is a long way away but as this decades list has just come out I was just wondering what the members of this sites opinion was on what they think will be in the hallowed magazines top 25 films the next time the list is released?
Will Vertigo have held off Tokyo Story and Kane’s charge?
Will Tarkovsky’s films climb any higher?
Any room for Angelopoulos and will the love for Bresson keep on coming?
And will In the Mood for Love disappear from the list forever? Yes please!
Anyway…
What is the opinion of you wonderful, insightful people??