Ruby Stevens and Bijou Alexanderplatz Argue with The Dude

We’re moving here!

OMG. LoL. Fine. What is our first argument about??

LOL I don’t know. But Ruby thought I forgot one more star for Blade Runner. Um, we can argue about Sucker Punch?

OK. So explain how Sucker Punch was misunderstood.

I keep on reading in reviews and Mubi user opinions that Sucker Punch had this false and comic book fanboy-ish sense of female empowerment. Not quite true imo, in fact Snyder develops that sense not in the ass-kicking, but with the symbolism in Babydoll’s dreams (the villains in the dreams are sometimes obvious phallic symbols). It’s a bit hurt by Snyder’s use of slo-mo and his other excesses, but those also make the effects to the audience linger. I also note something similar with The Raid: Redemption in terms of action: There’s this weird sincere feeling into it.

So you really don’t think that a film in which all of the girls, not just the one named baby doll, are walking baby dolls, who are doomed from the beginning, only able to get a sense of freedom in a lobotomized-induced dream, all while being guided by a male white savior, isn’t even hinting at misogyny??

OK, probably the (old, you forgot old) male white savior was a flaw, among other things (e.g. tasteless view of death, the unsavory usage and/or variation of popular songs, and zilch characterization), but other than that, I don’t think it’s misogynist. I also forgot to mention subtexts regarding the contrast of reality and imagination, but that’s for another time, kids.

I know I don’t have quite a good defense for this film, as I’m still developing my film analysis skills, but here’s one defense I admire. Sucker Punch ain’t a masterpiece, but at least it’s adequate.

Let’s talk about Blade Runner – I didn’t think that one was that great.

i don’t see yr name in the title, doofu ^

As a woman, I was very insulted by Sucker Punch. I never expected it to be a masterpiece, and I forgive many flaws, but I didn’t like how it made me feel as a woman. I can’t argue about Blade Runner as well until I watch it again, but I can attempt an argument :)

i’m not sure i can judge blade runner objectively at this point

it’s BLADE RUNNER!!

Hahaha, I got you covered there, Ruby. I don’t think you have to argue objectively. I couldn’t with Sucker Punch.

i don’t see yr name in the title, doofu

lol I thought you meant in the title of Blade Runner at first, and I was really confused. But, yeah, I guess I should just bow out now…

All I wanted to do was dis blade runner…

I would love to here your Blade Runner thoughts!! Ruby, my dear, take some deep breaths!!

Oh, sorry… I don’t really have any thoughts on Blade Runner other than that I just don’t think it’s that great… it’s alright… but not that great.

Haha. That’s ok. I don’t think I rated it five stars (sorry Ruby) .

oh no worries, bijoux. i was just noticing that two people in my list have rated it one star LOL

i think it’s much better than star wars. but only the director’s cut of course

Wait!! I went to the film’s page, and as I was thinking about my feelings (or lack of feelings) for the film I remembered something: I first watched this film in college, and I’ve only watched it once. It was for a philosophy and film course where the second half of the class was “optional.” We could stay and watch the film with the professor, or we could watch the film at home. I stayed for about half the film, then left for some reason and finished the rest of the film days later. So I don’t really think I can count this film as one I’ve watched or rate it fairly yet. I think the bf might have it. I’ll have to check out his section of the DVD shelves.

So I should watch the director’s cut. Got it.

the original theatrical cut has annoying voiceover because the studio didn’t think the audience would be able to follow it. i’m still not sure that’s not accurate since i can’t ‘unsee’ it but the director’s cut is much much better

yeah then tell me if u can follow it. lol. and oh yeah, watch on the biggest screen possible

I just checked and we do have a copy of the DC!!

@dffoo: I’m gonna let you in our private island soon. Just don’t expect any sex and honey.

OK, Blade Runner…Blade Runner…

I thought it was overrated because I felt that Scott didn’t put enough faith in his characters to develop themselves enough. They seemed to be these people with emotion and nothing else, and Scott seemed concerned with style and mood development instead. On the upside, however, the visuals were gorgeous (I don’t think I have seen a better sci-fi movie opening than this one…yet), and the philosophical questions were treated humbly. I also think that there is something to be said about the movie being rooted to good old noir (the voiceovers are clear examples of this). Blade Runner is still a good movie, just not the great movie everyone likes to claim.

Next I would like to argue about Captain America.

Sure thing, Bijou.

Captain America: The First Avenger was THE BEST superhero movie from last year, and the only good one. Thor was too average to stand out, X-Men: First Class tried to get details in its universe right and was concerned with nothing else, and Green Lantern was pretty bad. There’s also something common between the three: They all seemed to be concerned with setting up for future movies without checking themselves if they were good enough to start a series of movies in the first place. Captain America, on the other hand, seemed to be focused more on delivering the goods and entertainment to make people enjoy the movie so that they can see more of it in sequels. It was good entertainment.

X Men First Class was entertaining. I absolutely 100% agree with your points about it, Dude. But it just didn’t entertain me.

i can’t help with this one as i haven’t seen it :\

I’ll save you some time, Ruby.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

yeah i have to admit this is a big reason why i haven’t