OK, let’s keep this civil, if it needs to be discussed at all. Which I’m not sure that it does.
This has all happened before… And it will happen again…
i.e., nothing to see here.
I was asking because he was one of my favorite posters…I wasn’t trying to stir a pot or anything. Would it be possible for someone to give me some kind of information?
This is exactly what I hate about forums….
It’s an attention grab.
@Rgrimes – It’s not an attention grab. However, in the interest of keeping things cool, I’ll PM you with some rudimentary information, rather than push anything in a public thread.
@ Nathan:
Thanks you…I’ll keep it confidential. I just hope it’s not permanent.
it’s bad blood going way back. but i’m sure he’ll be back
Ok, I don’t mean to fan the flames, but all I’ll say is that there is a history here, and there are two sides to every story.
Nathan, I respect you and you’re a great member of this site, so I hope there’s no bad blood between us over this. I’ve known Santino since his Fredo days, and I have my reasons for my attitude. Can anyone point to other users I have this opinion of, in order to prove I’m being unfair? I give huge amounts of latitude to almost everyone, but sometimes you just have to say it like it is. Again, this is my humble opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.
House, you posted this on the STL! thread: Anybody who thinks Fredo’s second little hissy fit means anything needs to relax. He just does that to get attention.
Santino was just fine in my books. I enjoyed his insights and sense of humor. He was one of the few here who actually read and responded to my posts, always with intelligence and something to add. Now, after he has been picked on, he gets the blame for deleting his account.
Mubi always has the habit of blaming the victim after any personal attack. If anyone comments on this, they are told that the person attacked, who then chooses not to participate in the forum any longer, is just seeking attention. Those putting out the bile are NEVER taken to task – and can freely post here after, smug in the fact they have chased yet another ‘nuisance’ off the forum. Mubi will never ever change in this regard.
None of us is perfect, we all have are faults, but the level of personal attacks on Santino on Jerry Johnson’s thread (now closed) represented yet another new low for Mubi. Of course, the mods are all taking the attitude that this should just be hushed up and we should all go on our merry way as if nothing has happened. Or that he just deserved what he got. Good people are going and no one gives a shit.
twodeadmagpies was OK in my book, too
I’m not saying it should be hushed up. I called to close up the thread where Santino was harassed and tried to moderate offensive posts because I felt like it was disrespectful and out of line with the forum guidelines. I’m glad to talk about it if there is good reason. But I don’t want to stop the disrespect and harassment from anyone and everyone whether they feel like a victim or not. I just want people to discuss things in a respectful way.
Hey, Oxy, and you know how much I love and appreciate your presence here ever since I joined this site. But the majority of these situations are dealt with justly—arguments are moderated as they should be according to the site’s guidelines. This happens all the time, and most of it goes unnoticed. The very slim minority where these cases get site-wide attention are usually caused because people want them to be noticed. This has happened before many times (and I’m not at all thinking of you in this case—you and I have, I think, a respectful and friendly understanding). But as I said, it is the vast minority. In most cases these things are dealt with and everyone is happy about them. This is exactly why they aren’t remembered.
EDIT: And, to emphasize Riss’s point, noone’s hushing anything up. The forum is open. Let’s discuss.
It wasn’t my intention to start controversy but Santino is a big part of what I enjoy about MUBI….I love his take on films (even when I don’t agree with him)….and now MUBI has become a lot less interesting all of a sudden and for that I am truly sad.
My question is: Why when anyone leaves, is it just seen as attention grabbing? I know the site always wants to forget these incidents and pretend they never happened. After their attacks, Jerry and Blue still seem to be seen as vindicated in attacking Santino – who is no longer here to defend himself.
Now, we are told to just forget it and pretend these attacks are just part of doing business on Mubi. I sense a very poor double-standard here. Feel free to personally attack so we can all have a good laugh at someone else’s expense. Shameful, people!
Grimes—It’s an unfortunate fact about online forums, where you don’t have any connection to these people usually, no matter how much you enjoy their company, and they can disappear at any time. This happens all the time, and over the years I can name numerous people, starting with Justin (those who know know who I mean) who left and never returned and will never be replaced.
But the forum goes on. It has cycles of bitterness and sadness but it always returns to stasis, and continues to be a worthwhile endeavor.
Oxy—There’s more to the story than appears on the forum. That’s all I’m going to say about that.
Santino was annoying and occasionally witty, though it was interesting to see a Hollywood supporter in a sea of detractors. Any person that throws attitude around has to be able to take attitude in return.
I belong with you
You belong with me
You’re my sweetheaaaaaarrrrt
Well I’m allowed to ask questions about it and I’m allowed to feel bad about it…..I mean he is gone and it was as if he was never here and nobody batted an eye.
Sorry…that’s just not right.
Well, House, there’s more to every story, I guess, re the background of any of us that have been around long enough. I respect that, but all we have to go by is the forum threads and posts – and what we can gather from reading between the lines. As I said, none of us is flawless or exemplary in our behaviour here. But don’t you see how Jerry’s thread thrust and some of the vitriolic attacks on Santino were uncalled for? Can anyone blame him for not feeling kindly to Mubi after?
In any case, there is NO justification EVER for personal attacks on anyone on this forum when they become a free-for-all or a method of settling old scores. I think Santino did the right thing, considering the tone of the comments. And don’t tell me this place doesn’t get very, very personal sometimes.
Of course, I mean no criticism really of you or the mods – who are put in an impossible position sometimes. However, in this instant, I am siding with Santino and share his sense of dismay at the actions of others.
Also when a site like this loses such a valuable member the overall personality and structure of the site changes…..and not necessarily for the better…because a distinctive voice has been lost…….none of us looks at films exactly the same way.
The individuals who attacked Santino ought to be ashamed of themselves….because they have diminished the forum.
I don’t want to pick a fight, but I too had grievances with Santino, who was not the so-called “gentleman” some have described him as. I wont do something creepy like go back into the old threads and pull quotes, but he often displayed an unwillingness to actually discuss certain films and filmmakers, instead speaking in downright petty generalizations.
He’ll be back.
And I empathize with anyone who’s lost a friend here, cause it’s happened to me more times than I can remember, and it always hurts.
And while some of the comments on that thread were out of bounds (and I would have moderated them if I could at the time), I want to offer a defense of the OP and Jerry as I truly think he thought he was making a joke and nothing more. He was quite shocked by the response, but in the world of the interwebs tone is hard to discern, and once a fire is lit it spreads like there was zero gravity.
the site loses people everyday, some people say they are valuable, some say the site is better off, in the end, who cares, it’s just a site, some people can control themselves and some can’t.
Blue and I have hacked at each other numerous times, but neither of us have packed up our logons and gone home.
people shouldn’t take shiite so seriously
Hear, hear. I have enough drama in my real life.
By the way, if any of you ever come to Dallas, let me know and I’ll buy you a beer.
Except for Uli. ;)
It’s okay, I don’t drink beer, I’m way more refined then some damn Texan ;-}
I probably shouldn’t have posted here, kicking a forum member when he’s away. But I don’t think he should be thought of as the “innocent victim”.
At what point is a “joke” taken too far? Certainly there exists a line, and I didn’t always see eye to eye with Santino and I know nothing of his ‘Fredo’ days but he seemed like a reasonable dude who was respectful and affable in the majority of his postings.
Not that I condone these melodramatic “exits” from the site as certainly there is an element of attention-grabbing ect, but after reading that thread it does seem like Santino got a pretty raw deal from some people holding on to some petty grudges from “back in the day”….
I know how it looks, but you can’t say they were petty unless you were there.
With the bombardment of superhero threads, let’s pollute the forum with more shit that doesn’t matter.
Prewitt
Am I the only one who noticed he’s gone? What the heck happened?