Santino?
is porch monkey considered offensive? or can we reclaim it…
Use whichever words you want, just not disparagingly directed at the person or character of someone whom you don’t know if they will welcome it.
There’s always one that goes too far.
It is quite a thing. Blue and I don’t travel much in the same mubi circles, but I scarcely remember a post (from the topics I have managed to run into his posts) where he is not talking about either being drunk, his penis, balls or shit.
Den, this is probably due to how your self-admittedly pornography-obsessed brain works than due to what I’ve actually written.
The first thread I ever started on this site when I joined some 3 years ago was this. Can Colored Folks Get Some Love at Criterion Too? At the risk of sounding immodest, this was about as solid a thread-starter as just about any and engendered a productive—if somewhat contentious at times—discussions that lasted for more than a year on the nature of film distribution in America.
When you obviously have no clue as to the entire range of posts I have made over the years, DO NOT claim to be able to represent as to what my posts are about. At least do your homework before you misrepresent others.
Yeah, that comment coming from Den was incredibly ironic, wasn’t it?
why because i fanned Andrea Dworkin’s Pornography?
maybe it was ironic, the level of self-delusion is high here, maybe i drank the kool-aid
Den,
Maybe you have bad recall, but you’ve expressed your enthusiasm for pornography more than once here in the forums. And in fact, you and I have even had a specific discussion regarding your love for both Andrea Dworkin and pornography. I pointed out that this seemed like a contradiction since Dworkin spend her entire career crusading against pornography.
Anyhow, I don’t care whether you like pornography and Dworkin and how you reconcile that most obvious of contradictions, as that’s your business.
But you shouldn’t misrepresent others. I’ve made a lot of posts here over the years, I was one of the main organizers for the first World Cup, and I’ve written several articles for the MUBI site itself as well. I helped champion a lot of filmmakers—for example, my love and championing of Glauber Rocha is well documented. Shit, his epic masterpiece The Age of the Earth was not even in the Auteurs database originally, now you see it routinely pop up in MUBI best of polls. Of course, I’m not taking credit per se for “discovering” Rocha—he doesn’t need my help. But it seems like you are either willfully ignorant or just out to portray me in the crudest light possible.
That doesn’t mean that I deny that I engage in off-color humor. I did indeed start the Criterion penis tattoo thread as someone already pointed out here. And yes, that was actually intended to be both juvenile humor and satire pointing out the rather unhealthy obsession and commodification regarding Criterion.
As I said, within my limited exposure to you (I was not here for the world cup last time and avoid criterion threads) your conversation is limited to those topics, not an insult just an observation.
Maybe you must read a fair amount of my posts, I was just making an observation (based on my experiences here, not what you did some years back)
No, I just don’t make stupid generalizations. And if you admit that you’ve had limited exposure to me, you shouldn’t make generalizations.
And especially since you seem to have rather poor recall. You can’t even remember the specific conversation we had regarding your love for both pornography and Andrea Dworkin. We’ve seen each other quite a lot, Den. Christ, we both participated in the Directors’ Cup, and from those threads alone, we’ve seen countless posts from each other. We’ve had direct discussions too. None of those discussions involved my penis, balls, or shit. If you can’t be observant, refrain from making observations.
I was not making a stupid generalization I was saying when I see a blue post, it is usually on those topics.
Not a stupid generalization it is true.
The same way that more often than not, when a certain country station is turned on at work, they play the same Taylor Swift song.
I would say don’t be so sensitive or grow some balls but I wouldn’t say them here.
You’re talking about your perception which is based on faulty memory.
Dude, you obviously don’t recall the discussion we had on Dworkin and pornography. I’m sure you don’t recall the direct discussions (over multiple occasions) on Gummo. You love it, I hate it. You’ve constantly mentioned the fact that the title Gummo is a reference to the unknown Marx Brother, and so on. You and I were also instrumental—along with Venus Sands—in starting a viewing and critique thread called Simultaneous Watching and Analysis. There were only about a dozen of us, and we took turns choosing films and discussing them in-depth. Twilight, starring Paul Newman, was your first selection, I believe. You obviously don’t recall my role in that either. We did it for several weeks before it kind of fizzled out.
But here’s direct exchange we had on there, dude.
Blue K:
I, too, am mostly in agreement with Natasha and Deckard. I found the film largely unremarkable. But Den and Stephen make a good point regarding the themes of aging and death. Of course, that’s why the film’s title is Twilight. And I do commend the film for tacking these themes because, well, not too many Hollywood films do. And because of this very fact, I was reminded of Clint Eastwood’s Unforgiven, which has been hailed as a great anti-Western featuring aging characters who now question the very values of the wild West.
So like the Eastwood film, this film also operates on a meta-textual level. We are not only looking at aging characters ruminating life, and especially Newman’s character questioning the values of his profession. We also see Newman the actor revisiting the values of the very detective films he starred in his glorious and glamorous younger years. As Unforgiven was an anti-Western, Twilight is a sort of an anti-detective film. The only problem is…well, as much pounding Eastwood sometimes takes from the arthouse crowd, Eastwood is one of the best directors working within the Hollywood system. And Robert Benton is nothing more than a competent director in my opinion. The film could have been quite good, but as it stands, it just doesn’t quite gel that well. And I found the use of music quite unbearable as well—way too orchestral and overdramatic.
But still, it is nice to see a different type of Hollywood film which aims to subvert the genre pic.
Dennis Brian:
I agree with the Eastwood Unforgiven comparison. I have much more to say about Benton in comparison to Eastwood (Benton is much more talented) but I dont have time to address that now so tomorrow morning. I like what u said blue.
Christ, dude. And that was a thread in which all of FIVE people participated. We’ve had dozens of discussions over the years. Just because you can’t remember them, that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
I was saying when I see a blue post, it is usually on those topics.
When you REMEMBER a post by me, it may usually be on those topics.
That’s a statement on you, not on my posts, Look over my last 50 posts. Since you obviously have limited memory power, allow for that deficiency’s obvious role in your biased perception of what it is that I write here.
I would say don’t be so sensitive or grow some balls but I wouldn’t say them here.
I have balls, don’t worry. It’s not about being sensitive. It’s about you trying to pass your deficient memory power as some kind of neutral and empirical observation.
Huge Blue K fan even kept your Hong Sang Soo write up on my thread lists just to read, seriously if Blue and Apursansar left about a world of cinema would be shut off. A good Mubi member should be cherished no matter what side your on. I try to avoid the forum for the varying of strong opinions (suddenly everybody’s an expert) but I think the trick should be not to take it personally. Nobody’s entirely loved or hated on this site.. But theres users I love and users that annoy and frustrate. I expect the real issue is the bigger the website grows the worse it’ll get.
Lurkers like myself got nothing to add to this, but I was just wondering where’s JAZZALOHA?
Is he taking a break from mubi as well?
@Night
I haven’t had as much time lately.
@Blue
I don’t know what Fredo/Santino said or did to you in the past, but I’m assuming it’s much worse than the examples you’ve brought up in the thread. Imo, I don’t think any of the examples, by themselves, warrant getting so upset that it leads to personal attacks or harassment—-and, honestly, if I were Santino, I’d feel harassed. Speaking as someone who has experienced this, it’s super unpleasant, a drag and, yes, something that would make me not want to stick around.
Now, if he’s provoking you with snide remarks and personal insults, then I don’t condone that, either, and I can understand you being upset. But I haven’t really seen that—not in The Descendents thread or his recent threads about the studios. His remarks were completely benign, imo. Now, the one comment you quoted from The Descendents thread might have been insensitive to Nohea, but I think it was a joke—mostly directed at me. Here’s a larger context:
Santino: Wait, Hawaii is a state?
Nohea: ha!…Hawaii is an illegally annexed territory of the u.s. … therefore, not a state.
Santino:^so it’s kinda like Catalina Island?Good. Hey Jazz – you’re really a Californian! Welcome, brother!
You and he get into, and in the process he apologizes and Nohea says, “apology accepted, Santino…no harm done.,,,no pilikia.. Blues next calling – defense attorney ;)”
In other words, everything is cool with her. (I honestly think Santino was teasing me—which is something we both did to each other. That’s the way I took it, and I was prepared to make some snide remark about California.) To me, this is
Whatever the reasons I wish you (and he-if he was also attacking you) could just let this go. If he personally attacks or insults you, I can understand if you respond in anger. But if he’s saying something you just don’t agree with, I don’t think that justifies name-calling and personal attacks—even if you think what he says is shallow or moronic. There are better responses to this. For example, you could ignore him; you could tell him that you disagree with him and proceed to show the reasons for this—and if you’re patient and gracious, you could do this with the intent of trying to help him. Of course, you don’t have to do any of these, but, imo, they are viable—and better—options than personal insults.
I wouldn’t recognize Mubi without Jazzaloha haha
^^Agree. OK, Jazz is alive, well and kickin’.
Jazz,
I don’t know what Fredo/Santino said or did to you in the past, but I’m assuming it’s much worse than the examples you’ve brought up in the thread. Imo, I don’t think any of the examples, by themselves, warrant getting so upset that it leads to personal attacks or harassment—-and, honestly, if I were Santino, I’d feel harassed.
How have I harassed him? You can defend Santino, that’s fine, but you can’t just say that I’m harassing him without citing specific bona fide examples. Gotta apply the same standards for both him and me.
As for the Hawaii example, if you take it as a joke meant only at you, that’s fine. But you really think that kind of joke is appropriate? I know that you personally don’t really care that much about the Native Hawaiian sovereignty issue, but just because you two take it for a joke, it doesn’t justify things. There are some topics that should be immune from snide jokes. What if I made a joke about the Japanese-American internment during WW II? How would you feel about that as a Japanese-American? And of course, Nohea is going to be gracious and accept Santino’s apology in the forums. But she and I happen to be very good personal friends, and I can tell you that she was deeply offended and hurt by it.
There’s no harassment here. I’ve never told him to leave the site. He left of his own accord.
why is there seven pages dedicated to a blowhard putz?
why not talk about films or filmmakers instead?
^this. My inbox is exploding. Only this topic! Unsubscribing!
There are some topics that should be immune from snide jokes
Grow some balls, blue.
Agreed with Uli and Matthew. For personal spats it’s probably best to keep that to PMs. No one else needs to see that. Let’s keep it to topics everyone can and ought to participate in.
For what it’s worth, and to hopefully derail the thread in a more interesting direction, I don’t believe any topic should be immune from jokes, snide or otherwise. Jokes make the world bearable, and if some subjects are off-limits then it makes everyone uneasy. And who decides what’s off-limits anyway? Fuck that.
Jokes are very welcome. Please, let’s liven this place up! Let’s just not make jokes at the expense of anyone here on the forum if they don’t welcome it. If the goal of jokes is to make things bearable and for us to have a good time, then such jokes wouldn’t be making things bearable for the person they are at the expense of. But in terms of tone, I’d love to point out how silly and absurd a lot of what goes on here is and make things a bit less serious.
This advice on how to post sounds like it’s from some “friendly” fourth grade teacher advising her class (of nine-year-olds) on forum behavior.
i think they’re covering their own asses by saying that. god knows that personal attacks and insults will ALWAYS happen on ALL forum boards
it’s when people get to know each other hey;)
tomas.roges
While we’re at it, can we make a list of terms, slang, names and figures of speech that people here deem offensive? I’ve been wanting to use butt-nugget for something, but I don’t wish to offend. Just for future reference.