—Quasi-beligerent belittlement of a well-respected film
—Amateurish ‘Best Films Evar’ list
—Obvious flame baiting
Kinda easy to spot, really.
^ ha ha :D
It’s a movie.
Sorry, but I asked for what? My list is quite reasonable, despite the usual suspects Tarkovsky, Ozu, etc. not making an appearance. I don’t much credit delusively-intellectual movies that seem to take as granted that a film’s value derives not from what it is, but how facilely it serves as a platform for obscure blathering on thematics, anything but a broad aesthetic appreciation that implicitly considers formalistic and other concerns in its purview. Hence anything with perceived gravitas (be it via theme, mood, tone, pace or lack thereof) is automatically deemed good cinema, no matter how ineptly formed per film logic as opposed to through these desperately discursive goggles. I see so many people willing to pardon a filmmaker’s utter failure to maintain a thoroughgoing authorial control over a film’s structure, coherences, meanings, sensations, to the point of excusing harebrained philosophizing and extreme dullness if the merest allusions and context exist amenable to initiate the common species of vapid “intellectual” discourse. Yeah, that means I think Pulp Fiction a better film than 2001, despite whatever profound resonance some armchair Socrates thinks disapparating monoliths possess.
Did I mention aggressive self-righteousness? ’)
“My list is quite reasonable, despite the usual suspects Tarkovsky, Ozu, etc. not making an appearance.”
Taxi Driver is a mainstream flick, in case you haven’t noticed.
Many viewers connected with his character because Travis acted out things that normal people could only dream of- killing a pimp, saving a young girl, taking a date to a porn theatre… hell, sometimes I even dream of taking my gal to strip club everytime I get stucked watching a Nicholas Sparks movie just to get her reaction, but I never did.
I see so many people willing to pardon a filmmaker’s utter failure to maintain a thoroughgoing authorial control over a film’s structure, coherences, meanings, sensations, to the point of excusing harebrained philosophizing and extreme dullness if the merest allusions and context exist amenable to initiate the common species of vapid “intellectual” discourse.
yikes…you have got it all wrong mate. Take a break and come back later.
Can we expect the “why is Citizen Kane considered the best movie of all time when it’s so overrated and the protagonist is unlikable?” thread next? I can’t wait.
@William P Batts : “the mentally ill can have their moments. They just can’t sustain it.” : So true, I gotta say I didn’t realize one of the clients at my job was mentally ill before I had the “chance” to spend quite a bit of time with him. The more time I spent with him, the more I realized how socially handicapped he was, so Travis’ behavior makes complete sense to me – especially if he saw a couple going to the porno theater (which I didn’t remember).
Really curious to read what Tervarian has to say about that.
I was thinking it was about time for another IVE REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT JEAN-LUC GODARD .
wait. I’m still trying to take off this pair of desperately discursive goggles. Is there some kind of latch in the back? It’s almost like they are glued on or something.
Z. Bart: “You haven’t know a lot of people, have you, Tervarian.”
Amen, brother. Every man (and probably a few women) has those moments in his life where he feels just like Travis Bickle.
William P. Batts: “even the mentally ill can have their moments. They just can’t sustain it.”
9 out of 10 artists have some form of mental illness. We are legion, get used to it.
“9 out of 10 artists have some form of mental illness. We are legion, get used to it.”
I can’t tell if that refutes my point or supports it.
After reading through this thread I just want to go out and really, really do something . . . I don’t know. I just wanna go out… and really—I really wanna—I got some bad ideas in my head. I just . . .
Gin & tonic.
Stand by for the Timothy Dalton was the best Bond thread.
i used to try to Auteur forums and it never worked, i’m mad this guy’s worked.http://mubi.com/topics/best-steve-guttenberg-movie
^this one back-fired
And i’m even madder that he ISN’T trolling (at least i don’t think)
but i am happy i read this whole thread, it was a good laugh.
also, my personal favorites are the “why does everyone on mubi love/hate fill in the blank” threads
^ Before I joined I thought Mubians hated everything!
@Judicial Joe: The sentence might be generalizing, but it’s definitively true for some mentally ill persons, certainly must depend on the type of illness, but still (no psychiatrist here, just personal experiences talking).
oh right, this is why I avoid the MUBI forum…
Taxi Driver is one of my favorite movies.
I don’t think we’re supposed to identify with Bickle, he starts out as kind of an individualist of well less than average intelligence. But, we’re supposed to see what he sees and react how he reacts at the evils of society. We see a pimp selling twelve year olds and secretly wish for somebody to come along and blow him away. Bickle believes, somewhat accurately, that he is acting on our collective subconscious, and that’s how I interpret the ending.
Taxi Driver is awesome. Again. It is a MOVIE. It is not a documentary. It is a great flight of imagination. Who cares if Bickle is realistic or not?
The Bad Lieutenant is was one of the more hilariously bad movies I ever saw (and I know that I should never go to see it with Jazz ;) ). So overwrought and silly.
As my criticism of Bad Lieutenant is similar to yours of Taxi Driver, could it be that we can all just agree to disagree?
Whether a movie is great or not is, technical and expressive competencies aside (because these are crucial, period), is ultimately a matter of opinion.
It’s ok for you to hate Taxi Driver and it’s ok for me to hate The Bad Lieutenant, for whatever reasons we have. But to declare them both terrible for all time and all over the globe is a statement neither of us can really make without sounding a little… megalomaniacal.
Yeah, Zom, it definitely depends on the illness. As a bipolar, I can tell you I’m a pretty well-rounded, socially able guy, but I know borderlines are completely unpredictable. The question is, what illness does Bickle fall under?
Fair enough, but I never claimed that TD is a terrible film. I thought it disappointing to the point of leaving me unable to abide its colossal stature, but it’s not dreck. I only hate films like The Boondock Saints or X3.
^ ha ha! Ok. :)
@Judicial Joe: “The question is, what illness does Bickle fall under?”
Good question, I wonder if it can be satisfactorily answered unless the filmmakers had something in particular in mind. I guess, there is probably some folks who made convincing analysis of Bickle’s condition on the Internet or in print, but I don’t know of any.
I just saw that Travis Bickle has a Wikipedia page and it mentions self-defeating personality disorder. Makes sense if that’s a thing.
Self-defeating personality disorder is not (yet) an officially recognized diagnosis. Even if it were, it would his date with Betsy and perhaps some of his other behavior, but the propensity for violence and some of the other apparent mood and behavior issues, which to me would seem to be indicative more of something from the Cluster A personality disorders.
I would also point out that, at least as much as he’s intended as a realistic psychology character, he’s Bremer, Schrader himself by way of Bresson, Scorsese by way of Doestoevsky, and Bickle is meant to evoke Ethan Edwards, as the film as a whole is meant to evoke The Searchers.