@Dave
“Has he made any contributions to the art of cinema?” That made me laugh.
What?
I like Aesop Rock and Madvillian.
I agree that this is yet another wasteful thread. But for the record, Dre is garbage. Listen to your fellow members- Tribe Called Quest, Madvillian, etc. And I’ll throw my hat into the ring- Anticon.
GZA is better.
pointless topic but given Dre only holds any significance for his producing, I was still never a fan of the man. Definitely prefer the likes of Prince Paul to this guy anyday…
I find it humorous that there are more posts in this thread than the “Fuller” thread.
the people love hip-hop. in the immortal words of too $hort, “dont fight the feelin!”
Dre is not garbage. He made The Chronic. He revolutionized the beat.
The person who started this topic should be shot, along with anyone else who likes rap or hip-hop! Everything about that culture needs to be incinerated!
Shooting people is pretty ‘hip hop’.
hating people is not.
I appreciate anyone in the medical profession.
I started this topic, no idea this many cinephiles would even bother looking at it. Please don’t shoot me, this thread was created out of “mere jest.”
I think the cinephiles who are hating on this thread need to chill out a bit. Dre’s production is very cinematic, layered and intricate, so does fit in nicely with some aspects of cinema. He’s at the helm of the hip-hop genre, being judged by critics and consumers alike, as probably the best producer in the rap game and certainly not someone you want to dismiss out of hand. Much of today’s music can be atributed to Dre, especially the use of drum samples and synths. Some of the posts on this thread have just been really ignorant, elitist and snobbish. As a member of Generation X and the hip hop generation, I’ll proudly defend the genre and it would be nice to see those unable to gain cultural capital of something you see as so unworthy or “garbage” being a little bit more open-minded. Music is music.
Yeah, I guess pot smoking, gangster, uh, I mean ’Gangsta" thugs with nothing positive to contribute to society except the perpetuation of ignorance and misogony need a forum too. It gives all those ignorant white suburbanites role models.
your favorite filmmaker has probably contributed to the perpetuation of ignorance, misogyny, and maybe even some violence too. oh wait, i’m sorry. it’s high art when they do it, and dangerous trash unfit for society when dre does it.
Oh, my, the IGNORANCE flag has been waved.
Really, we could argue that any general group could contribute to x, y, & z.
Religion.
Politics.
Puppies. Puppies clearly exhibit violent & ignorant behavior. Just give’em a few more years to let the misogyny seep in.
I appreciate puppies.
Clovenhoof can suck it.
Ah, friendly legume, I appreciate puppies too.
Cloven hoof no-cud? Not kosher!
Sometimes, I am an impatient soul.
Joe Nelson just needs to light up a doobie and acquire a gun license, chill out Joey.
Hey Bobby! So what you’re saying is because some filmmakers engage in the same kind of perpetuation of ignorance or misogony (Oliver Stone, for example), then it makes it right for Dr. Dre and all his other homeboys like Eminem to do it? Hmmmm! Good logic. I remember my mother asking me when I was young boy, “Joe, if someone asked you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?”
Sorry, you’re going to have to do a better job of convincing me, and others for that matter, why Dr. Dre’s contributions to the music world are significant, and please don’t give me that “he paints a portrait of the rough and tumble lives of inner city youth, of the oppression of the black man and how da white man is always keepin him down” crap. The majority of informed and proactive black people don’t listen to rap, because they are informed. Suburban white boys are the biggest consumers of this product. And that is an indisputable fact. Are you white?
And you too, Mister Dob! Say something intelligent to prove me wrong. I throw down the challenge to ya’all. If you can do it, I will humbly kneel before you and acknowledge it.
Fuckin’ white suburbanites.
None the less, west side till I die, pimpin’. Dre is dope. Rakim was better. ‘Detox’ should own. But ‘OB4CL2’ will be better.
Nah mean?
first of all, i never said that if a director engages in violent content that makes it ok for dre to copy. in fact, i never said anything about dre copying anyone. all i said was that dre and others get attacked for the same things directors and other artists successfully do and get away with (hate to play the race card, but its no coincidence that those artists in question are white). when’s the last time you argued that martin scorsese is wrongly influencing youth with his violent content? or johnny cash when he said he killed a man just to watch him die?
i dont know what answer you had for your mom when she asked you that question, so i wont comment on that issue.
why are dre’s contributions to the music world significant? well, i dont feel like writing you an essay here, and you wont want to read it anyway. so maybe i’ll just bring up the fact that hip-hop is the highest selling genre of music in the world. dre has produced some of the highest selling acts in the history of the hip hop world, including his own solo releases, and he’s presided over some of the greatest shifts in the aesthetics of hip hop. i’ll leave it at that (i hate arguing about art with economic evidence, but i felt it was the quickest and easiest way to counter your point).
maybe its not important to you, but it means the world to some people to have dre paint a portrait of their rough and tumble lives, when most people such as yourself couldnt give two shits about it, and think its crap. i guess you’ll never understand what it feels like to have someone consider your life and your experiences “crap”, so i wont dig in on this issue too deep either.
suburban white boys are the biggest consumers of this product, and that’s indisputable? where are your statistics to back up that bold claim? i’m not arguing against you that suburban whites consume a great deal of hip hop, but have you figured for minorities who dont have the money to buy, but instead trade music? have you figured for illegal downloads? have you figured for the flawed reporting schemes of inner-city retailers? check your numbers again if you want to make an indisputable statement.
the majority of informed and proactive black people dont listen to rap, because they are informed?? hmm. informed about what, and what about rap is disinformation? i’ll go ahead and pull rank on you here, because i have to. i’m black (like my president, who listens to jay-z like i do), so i’ll speak for my fellow black folks. unless you want to argue you know more about them than i do. maybe you do, but your statement is false. by the way, i’m an adjunct professor. one of the undergraduate courses i’m teaching right now is a survey of hip-hop culture and aesthetics.
holla at ya boy. i’ll give you $100 worth of game for $50, feel me?
Bobby – Interesting. As Clint Eastwood said in Gran Torino, “You came into this one with your guns loaded.” Stand by . . .
I’ll start with this. More to come:
“Bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks
Lick on deez nutz and suck the dick
Get’s the fuck out after you’re done
And I hops in my ride to make a quick run… "
The reason this garbage music sells so well is because ignoramuses think it is “cool.” Nothing more. If there’s another reason. Let me know. Lyrics like this say it all about the artistic merit it has. It’s garbage, coming from a garbage mentality. And this is the reason so many people don’t give a shit about “people in the hood,” because they perpetuate the “poor,” “misongynistic” and “violent” mentality.
The phenomenon of gangsta rap is similar to the phenomenon of porn. While porn has always been around, it has become very mainstreamed and glamorized in popular culture in the last 20 years, so much so that porn stars now hold the same status as A-list actors and actresses in Hollywood. Does this mean porn and gangsta rap are significant? No, just a sorry statement as to the morality and value system that now pervades America. Remember the fall of Rome? It starts with this.
Shotzi
You guys are very white.