I really don’t like ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest’.
I love Kevin Smith…
and I don’t think Paul T. Anderson has ever made a bad film.
Forrest Gump
I hate all these Hollywood actors who make millions of dollars per film but yet deliver mediocre work. JLO, Bradgelina, and mr cruise.
Yeah, not to be a P.T. Anderson apologist (not like he needs one), but I think the dude is fucking marvelous. But, you know, as Wendy suggests, such is film.
I think the main point, and why debates like this — while infinitely amusing — rarely amount to much is pretty basic: We’re moved by different things, all of us, and we all have our little touch points. In the end, if something moves us, even if we can plainly see its manipulations, we ascribe it with a certain kind of power. That power we defend to the death because it matters so much to us. If the film in question didn’t move us, we can’t understand why it didn’t and find at least a little suspect anyone who did like it.
I don’t like Kevin Smith one bit, but someone else hates my boy P.T. Anderson. Maybe we both just don’t get it.
Yeah, not to be a P.T. Anderson apologist (not like he needs one), but I think the dude is fucking marvelous. But, you know, as Wendy suggests, such is film.
I think the main point, and why debates like this — while infinitely amusing — rarely amount to much is pretty basic: We’re moved by different things, all of us, and we all have our little touch points. In the end, if something moves us, even if we can plainly see its manipulations, we ascribe it with a certain kind of power. That power we defend to the death because it matters so much to us. If the film in question didn’t move us, we can’t understand why it didn’t and find at least a little suspect anyone who did like it.
I don’t like Kevin Smith one bit, but someone else hates my boy P.T. Anderson. Maybe we both just don’t get it.
Kevin Smith
I hate you. Your films suck and you have zero talent.
Paul Thomas Anderson ? Love his work.
Bay ? (Puke)
Just to interject.. this whole the-Crash-cop-guy-Matt-Dillon-whatever is not as dark a character as he appears, because he doesn’t rape the woman, he just REPLACEs his fingers into her vagina whilst totally abusing his socially sanctioned power? wow. so sexual assault has a hierarchy of moral revulsion?
this u t t e r l y v i l e portrait of smug human redemption, reductive race and gender archetypes and sick manipulated abuse of the hero motif in order to appeal to a social tolerance for social injustice that is Crash……make me a bonfire and bring me every copy but one, which I’ll nail to the head of whoever it is makes those Oscar statuettes.
I agree with the Kevin Smith bashing. Chasing Amy is the only Criterion disc I will never own. It’s like the owner of the headshop downtown somehow got to make movies. Dogma, from its ooh-we’re-being-so-edgy disclaimer to its shit monster, truly is itself a piece of shit.
Did anyone else see that hellishly bad flight attendant comedy starring Mike Meyers and Gwyneth Paltrow? Somehow I ended up at a matinee of that one. Breathtaking how vapid it was. I have blocked the title from my memory.
With other movies, the hatred sort of grows on me. Like “The Dark Knight.” Heath Ledger was fun to watch, but the audience wasn’t trusted at all to accept a psychological take on a superhero. Instead we got Christian Bale in need of a cough drop and an over-abundance of plot.
We’re getting into an area where my memory is a little too leaky to marshal much of a defense, but I quite liked “Crash” and never really understood the kind of antagonism it seems to spark. I ought to see it again just so I can debate it at length, but I thought it was a very strong piece of work. I wonder if possibly that same film would be regarded differently if it had a different name on it. The fact that it was written by a TV writer leads to these kind of ad hominem arguments.
i found paul haggis’ crash to be the most patronising piece of rubbish.
I strongly disliked the Dark Knight. Was I the only one?
No, Kifah — I hated the Dark Knight, too. I thought it was such crap. Meanwhile, it seems everyone else jerks off to it.
Re: Crash — I loved that movie when it came out. Then I watched other movies, and then I watched Crash again, and I found I didn’t really like it much at all.
As for me, well, prepare to gasp or get pissed off as you will, but I cannot stand Quentin Tarantino and anything he does. I think his style of dialogue is annoying, and the way he references other films does not feel like subtle homage, but complete ripping-off—and it hardly ever seems to work; rather, it feels forced and, dare I say, corny. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good at what he does, but I just don’t like it anyway. Or maybe I just don’t “get” him, but that’s fine with me. Though, to contradict myself, I think Pulp Fiction is good. Everything else, I can’t watch.
I hate Fight Club.
I love Godard…but I hated “Tout va Bien”. That set was cool, but from start to finish I was bored out of my mind.
I hate “Jules and Jim”. HATE IT.
I hate Garden State. I could do without the three newest Star Wars. I do not like Spielberg’s Planet of the Apes. I don’t hate Tideland, but it makes me a little uncomfortable when I watch it.
I am most definitely NOT a fan of Tarantino. His movies are pretentious, second-rate knockoffs.
“tout va bien” is a tough one, and godard has made his share of tough ones. but it’s a cake walk compared to sitting through those really obscure dziga vertov group films. you know, the ones you can only find on ubuweb.
let me add The Big Lebowski to my list
Uh Dylan, do you mean Tim Burton’s “Planet of the Apes”, or Spielberg’s “War of the Worlds”?
I meant Burton. I was looking at the Spielberg thread as well. Now that you bring up War of the Worlds, it’s not on my hate list, but it is on my dislike and avoid list.
Garden State was insufferably obnoxious.
Fuck Star Wars I, II, and III. Also, this may not fit here but jesus christ. I HATE BOLYWOOD FILMS. with so much passion. So much.
I enjoy all this Kevin Smith stuff. I feel at home here. haha
I HATE The Departed. The stupid rat metaphor at the end was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. Yes, that is the single reason why I hated it.
Rodney —you really believe that people are divided on Crash because the writer worked in TV, and we are that bothered by that fact that we piss on the film? so it’s not because it’s utterly offensive to anyone born into or who lives in a multicultural community, and has suffered, witnessed or simply cares deeply about a lifetime of racial and gender prejudices, and doesn’t want the reality boiled to an easy to swallow pulp?
i second the emotion for “the big lebowski”. i finally saw it for the first time earlier this year, after everyone in the world kept telling me over and over again how brilliant a film it was. i thought it was terrible. not even close to funny, and really hard to sit through. average at absolute best for what the coens are capable of.
The Dardenne brothers…and the hoards of guilt ridden, over protected numpties who applaud them (presumably to stroke their own sensibilities as ‘good’ and ‘aware’ and ‘humane’). The subject matter is cliched, the acting poor, and the direction/cinematography is not authentic or honest….. it’s just self conscious, adolescent masturbation. Social realism?…pahhh! Voyeuristic middle class angst more like.
The Dude Abides.
And I have love to give…and I know where to give it…
Love ya PT.
I hate Quentin Tarantino, There Will Be Blood (what was up with that obnoxious “music?”), Leonardo DiCaprio movies, and movies adapted from books where all they do is crank up the amount of SEX and cast terrible actors that don’t fit the part at all (ahem, COLD MOUNTAIN).
I love Dead Man, Fight Club, and most Chuck Palahniuk books (although Choke does look pretty horrific in the previews).
I am ambivalent toward Kevin Smith. Isn’t he the coroner guy in Daredevil or is that someone else?
Haha, excuse me…
the “forensic assistant” in Daredevil. Talk about another movie I hate…
Kifah Foutah
No breath needed, were all friends here!
But, I couldn’t disagree more, I think his best films are the 25th hour and Do the Right Thing, his most clear minded films. You can touch nerves from a polemical point of view while still being fair, something that he does quite well when he wants to.
You’re right! now that I think about it, he didn’t rape her, but it felt as he did.
You may not need an education in racial or religious dynamics, but I think in general American audiences (pre Rodney King-1989) certainly needed one, and I don’t think he went too far into talking head dialogue in which to do it. He makes that mistake in almost every other film of his. His representation of cultural-political consciousness is far more organic and lively in these films than it is in any of his others.
I prefer to see a film where cultural and political history still linger than a film like Crash that takes place in an a political sitcom hack’s imagination.