“Also, there is going to be a pre-set of films we vote for? (like As I browsing… etc etc)”
no, definitely no pre-set of films.
anything is eligible.
And it can be 20??? :-/
“And it can be 20??? :-/”
haha, twice as much counting?
I think we can all manage to sweat out ten choices like last time.
however, depending on the level of participation, the final tally could be a top 20 or top 50.
I did enjoy how Film Comment did the 50 best of the last decade.
but this depends on how many people we get to participate. the more the better.
Well… For weighting I would say those that prepare a weighted list say so, and those that don’t say they haven’t weighted the list.
In the case of a weighted list the films get a certain number of points (1-10, let’s say), and those that don’t weigh their lists get a flat number of points for every film (5.5 points, let’s say)… So a weighted list ends up getting a total of 55 points and an unweighted list gets a total of 55 points.
Neither way is objectionable to me, but it might make the lists a bit more varied and interesting (or may not)…
Film1: 46 points
Film2: 1 point.
Film10: 1 point.
EDIT: you mean weighting by ranking? the 55 points distributed proportionaly according to the ranking?
1. Rich Uncle Skeleton
2. Josh “Black Irish” S.
3. Greg X
4. Kurt Walker
6. Cecil Will Kolohe
7. Alex K
11. Brad S.
12. Adam Cook
13. Joe and Karen
14. Jake La Motta
17. Takamine In Tôkyô No Kôrasu
18. Matt Parks
19. Eleni Ashton
21. Nick Block
I’m moving the preliminary registration over to its own thread, so it’s a bit more visible.
I believe he means that, for those who weigh their films, their #1 pick is worth 10 points, #2 is worth 9, #3 is worth 8, etc.; and for those who don’t weigh the results, each film is assigned an even 5 points.
however, I don’t see how that might prevent certain groups from gaming the results.
Transferring a thought from the other thread over to this one…
RUS: “the 10 favorite directors is determined by the total number of different films from a directors filmography that receive votes. so, for instance, if 9 of godard’s films receive votes, 7 of Ozu’s, etc., that number is used to determine the director’s ranking. just like in the Sight and Sound poll.”
Is doing it this way going to overwhelmingly effect the way people vote? For instance, Orson Welles is my second or third favorite director but I don’t think any of his films will make my top ten favorites. So do I make up for that by replacing my legit number 10 and throwing The Magnificent Ambersons there for instance? It would seem that our top 10’s would be more pure if we vote for our top 10 directors as a separate thing. Just a suggestion, though I wouldn’t be heartbroken if the way it’s planned on being done stays intact.
^^don’t think of the directors list as a goal.
it is merely an imperfect interpretation of the data. so don’t needlessly twist your list around to influence its outcome.
I think the best thing to do is to forgot about whatever outcome we might like to see, and just let it be a product of our own personal tastes.
we should each create an honest list of 10, and let the results be what they may.
Count me in
I’m also not sure about weighting the films. It’s hard enough arriving at a ten, let alone ranking those ten. As you said regarding the directors RUS, I think weighting the lists would needlessly twist quite a few pollsters lists to influence the outcome. We’d have a situation, not unlike(IMO) what happened with the top decade voting. There would be a lot of people waiting last minute to vote in order to skew the results the way they see fit(that’s not to say that many didn’t wait until the last moment to watch as much as possible). I suppose though that that could be avoided by not showing any of the results until after voting has finished. Of course, that would require the votes to be tallied through private messaging, which is another thing I’d be in favor of.
So in more clear terms than the muck I just typed up, I think for the most satisfying vote to happen, it should be unweighted and that it should be done through private messaging.
“it should be unweighted and that it should be done through private messaging.”
I too like the idea of non-weighted lists, but if we have a large number of participants, voting through PM might be logistically daunting.
my hope is that if enough people show interest, we might be able to get MUBI to lend some official support, the way they did with the cups. Perhaps then we could figure out a way to keep voting secret until the end, without a system as archaic as PMs (from what I remember, 2 years ago Adam Cook was getting frayed from the votes of just 95 people).
You’re going to come up with a snazzier sounding name than “the MUBI film poll,” right?
definitely. everything is up for discussion.
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…or maybe not.
I get it, I’m dumb, 1+2+ … +10 = 55.
For the counting I was going to suggest to make the individual lists as a MUBI list. Then the counter can copy and paste that information in an excel sheet and make the counting automaticly. But I see it’s better private… though is not a matter of integrity? We have to doubt of such things?
Well you can’t see the release year in the mubi lists anyway…
I didn’t see anything addressing this (sorry if I just happen to be blind), but are we limited to feature length films?
There aren’t any limitations that I’m aware of.
Weighing should be an option. People also should be able to do it partially. For example, you can choose to give unequal weight to three movies and then spread the rest equally among the rest.
I still think my earlier post on p. 1 about two rounds with secret voting (and possibly negative votes) would be more interesting. I also think the initial round should allow the nomination of 20 films…
I am in too.
Well,this seems intersting,I think I’m in too.
I think I don’t get what the discussion is about; isn’t a poll just a collection films people like, so would you just collection those films and rank them according to whichever films are on the most films?
And why would people vote on films other like and give them a negative just cause they may not like them? I don’t get that.
I like reading the lists of AFI and Ebert and stuff and kinda think a list is a list, right?
People voting on films others nominated is nothing but a suggestion that has been made, but I don’t think it becomes accepted. I’d say that in this case it indeed makes more sense to stick to the format of the previous poll and accordingly compile a list based on the number of mentions as does Sight and Sound.
I’m for your initial suggestion. A Top 10 of PERSONAL favorites. As far as I’m concerned, my favorite films, are automatically also the best films I’ve seen – otherwise, how could they be my favorites? As i don’t believe in any possible objectivity when it comes to art (the only thing I can say about something I don’t like, is that it MAY be as good as the stuff I actually understand to be good – so, it’s a bit pointless arguing over taste, never mind that we all do it all the time), I’m all for these personal lists.
And as I’d be interested in the submissions (and maybe the reasoning behind the love for the favorites), I’m also for a thread where everyone can list their 10 best and write about them (if she likes).
Of course, I’m also for every film counting the same. When I have to dwindle my hundreds (or thousands) of favorite films down to 10, I can’t possibly see any reason, why No.1 should get more points than No.10. I mean out of millions of films, these are just 10(!!). I wouldn’t even list them in preferential order, but just list them. And every film gets one point.
And I’m also for listing all films in the final poll. Not for just cutting off after a certain number of votes.
So, that’s my opinions. And I won’t argue with someone who starts telling me about the difference between favorite and best, as I don’t believe in that kind of stuff. Either I love something or I don’t. Simple as that. At least when we are talking about 10 favorite films. When we make a list of 1000 , I’d give the possible difference between subjectivity and objectivity a second thought. But with 10 films, I’d find it ridiculous.
EDIT: And yes, if this becomes an “objective” best contest, or if there will be voting on films chosen by a consensus, or anything where you can give negative votes to films (what the heck…) I’m out again. Lol.
I think any way you arrive at your final ten is fine, at this point.
I advocate for choosing ten that are close to you personally, but there’s also no way to keep people from listing films they don’t necessarily love, but feel merit a vote. Besides, on some level that’s subjective.
As for method, I’m still all for doing it the same way we did last time, pure Sight & Sound method. We just need to come up with a way to streamline the tabulation of votes.
as for time frame, I think we ought to have an open voting period of about six months, to allow for full participation. If this can get official MUBI sponsorship, I think we’ll get far more participants than even the early registration is showing (we’re sure to outpace the participation of the last list in less than 24 hours). the time frame will also give us ample time to go back and re-watch some films, and explore others that come up in the discussion.
I agree with that, largely because I think that many people, if they don’t see a film of theirs in the top 20, would likely lose interest and abandon the poll.
Earlier I mentioned that I hoped this might lead to some permanent polling structure at MUBi, and I’m wondering what other people think about this. How many would be interested in participating in frequent official MUBI polls? I think it would be a nice feature to the site, and would help to condense some of the info in the now 20,000+ lists. Any interest? Ideas?
also, how do people feel about having to submit a mandatory commentary with their list?
I’ll probably do a commentary either way so I’m up for it.
I don’t mind a commentary, but I think if such a thing is adopted it should only need to be a short introduction to how each person chose the films and not necessarily, although welcome, a long piece on each film since some people here aren’t much for the comment writing and that might put them off from participating.
I like the idea of a Mubi poll area, and something like a weekly poll could be implemented which would be kind of fun and might lure some more people into the forum or into delurking for commenting a bit. You should propose it on the suggestions page.
I’m not so keen on a six month window for participating since that might take the wind out of the sails of the poll and cause people to forget about it or lose interest while they wait for results. One to three months at the outside might be better for keeping the idea fresh.
Edit: However, if the poll were to put out regular updates about what the current top picks were, then that might manage to keep the interest up and prove kinda fun in its own right as people see how the list changes over time.
Ok, I’m in!