I see what you’re saying but I think you’re confusing ‘presentism’ with ‘social realism’. Women in 1960 may have taken more passive roles in relationships, but they weren’t naive morons. Before women’s liberation, women didn’t have the direct political power, but they sure knew how to exert influence. They didn’t have political power, but they had tons of social power, and they knew it, and characters in The Apartment know they have none.
I would never, for instance, attack a film like The Best Years Of Our Lives because women took passive roles in relationships. And I don’t let modern films off the hook for treating women as just prizes in morality contests either.
But more to the point, the film is basically saying ‘You either live your romantic life by these rules or you’re disgusting trash’, and that’s more what I object to than the gender politics.
I love how my attack on The Apartment has boosted it like six points in an hour. Maybe I should quiet down about it until there are fewer movies left and more people are targeting it.
My Neighbour Totoro: +2
Goodbye Dragon Inn: -1
Eureka (Ayoama): -1
I also see The Apartment as 2 decent people with good hearts going against the boss and rules of career advancement. The criticism has come as a bit of a surprise, even if it fits old-fashioned romantic notions that may have had set gender roles..
@Jirin, There’s something to be said that Wilder was one of cinema’s great cynics. And he didn’t have the most enlightened points of view on gender relations. Although maybe that’s where The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes can be seen almost as a response to those issues since it’s often seen as Wilder’s most personal film. Or even Avanti! or Irma La Douce which has more “free thinking” female characters.
You’re also right. It seems the surest way to generate votes for a film is to attack it!
I just watched Noite Vazia and really liked it. If people are pursuing a vendetta against it I will definitely help vote it up.
And I love Ace in the Hole, one of my favourite Wilder’s.
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly +2
The Lady Eve -1
Apocalypse Now -1
+2 3 Women
-1 The Mother and the Whore
-1 The Ogre of Athens
+2 The Mirror (Tarkovsky)
-1 Through the Olive Trees
-1 400 Blows
Beauty and the Beast +2
400 Blows -1
Monty Python and the Holy Grail -1
Aguirre, the Wrath of God +2
Sherlock Jr. -1
My Night at Maud’ s -1
What’s with that Greek guy? was he not hugged as a child? why does he have to bark all the time when Noite Vazia is being voted down? Ive had it with you referring to our nationality with an insult because we happen to “play the game”. Ive had it with world cinema being about geopolitics – but I can live with that, but no more insult, when all we’re trying to do is to keep up
Insiang + 2
Noite Vazia – 1
Eros Plus Massacre – 1
Well, with the death of The Great Dictator, the last film of my Top 20 is now gone. Sadly, none of them made Top 250.
+2 Chungking Express
-1 Werckmeister Harmonies
-1 The River (Renoir)
+2 Eros Plus Massacre
-1 Jeanne Dielman
+2 Monty Python and the Holy Grail
-1 Apocalypse Now
The Red Shoes +2
Just curious, but why did you vote against Noite Vazia? Have you seen it?
Yes, i’d be interested to know what’s with the hate, some sort of explanation is in order. This all reeks of dastardly skulduggery
In the case of the “Greek guy”, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you…
The Cameraman +2
Dimitris is quite entitled to mention the nationality of the people voting down Noite Vazia, if (as seems the case) it’s mainly one nationality doing it- it’s hardly an unfair attack by him
Clearly Jason Pamintuan is using the classic manipulative tactic of feigning innocence while casting doubt on the person who challenges his shady behavior.
Ive had it with you referring to our nationality with an insult because we happen to “play the game”.
Well, the group of users who votes Noite Vazia down happens to be all Filipino. And not only to Dimitris this seems fishy…
I guess most of you haven’t even seen the film and simply follow someone else’s instructions – and that is not what I consider fair play!
+2 Weekend (Godard)
-1 Apocalypse, Now
-1 400 Blows
Apocalypse Now still has 1 point left, so… fighting till the bitter end.
+2 Apocalypse Now
-1 The Red Shoes
-1 The Lady Eve
Focusing on where people are from is dirty.
Plain and simple.
Whenever I hear “they just happen to be…” that’s my cue to leave the room.
In that case better leave this thread. I couldn’t care less.
Just call them the Three Godless Years contingent and leave nationality out of it.
It’s bizarre that leftist Kenji would say such a thing.
Much ado about nothing.
Hiroshima mon amour +2
I Walked with a Zombie -1
Scenes from a Marriage -1