Wait for the ending Jerry.
Part 3 Violence and Liberation
The answer to the previous questions comes in the third and final part of the film, with a clarion call for violent insurrection defined as legitimate (because it is in self-defence), and even sanctioned by Christianity, as when the filmmakers quote from a liberation theologian. Given the unequivocal nature of the film’s conclusions regarding violence and liberation, it is surprising to find that the film closes with the filmmakers themselves appealing for further discussion. However, the structural openness this ending suggests is betrayed by the film’s closed Manichaean discourse. Given this contradiction, the viewer’s best approach is to qualify his or her critique of that Manichaeism by acknowledging that, whether or not one agrees with the worldview and the actions proposed by the film, there is no denying that the questions and the issues it raises are as valid today as they were in 1968.
“Why are you so single-mindedly against McCabe, Cecil? Surely your hostility would be better directed against a more deserving film?”
I give McCabe a 7.5/10. I like it very much. However the vast majority of films that are that high up the list I give at least a 9/10 to, so I want to demote McCabe away from that region.
Similar argument with Psycho. It’s a 8.5/10 at the moment, and I love it, but I don’t really want it in the Top 20 when there’s potential for more films I’d give 5 stars to in there (of the 9 I’ve seen from the Top 20 the only ones I haven’t given 5 stars to are Possession and Psycho).
about as fun as reading Volmann’s Rising Up and Rising Down
Also I see using my minuses up on films like Kill Bill, Up in the Air and Trainspotting to be largely pointless. I mean yeah I don’t want them in the final list, but they aren’t going to get in to the final list.
Truth be told though Cecil…McCabe trumps Psycho down like a chocolate ice cream trumps down a muffin :P
Some of us hate chocolate.
(In light of recent accusations against various members on this very thread I should state that that comment had no racial undertones)
^ Really Den…you actually like inferior Altman films like Prairie Home Companion instead of McCabe which probably contains one of the top 5 Beatty AND Christie performances in their careers???
EDIT: aha, your explanation down below clarifies a lot I suppose, strategy-wise I mean ;) I’m still surprised though you found Beatty one of the weakest links of the film.
I have to say you’ve gotten me largely interested in searching for Nekromantik!
I voted for McCabe in the DC and it may well be my favortie Altman; that or Buffalo Bill. Prarie is in my top 3, colored no doubt by the fact that it was my first date with my fiancee. But I find it a very moving swan song, concerned both with death and a lack of interest in prosperity. Beatty (I hate to say this) is one of the slightly weak links in McCabe; he is awfully stiff; I would count this as top drawer Altman but mid range Beatty (in terms of acting). Christie though is wonderful as always. I would very much vote up McCabe if I was not more interested in my own picks (building em up, as with Nekromantik or Once Before i Die or knocking em down as with Birdemic)
+2 Mulholland Drive
-1 Andrei Rublev
Shock Corridor +2
Fight Club -1
Full Metal Jacket -1
i just sent u a link
At the current official count, not one of the top 20 movies has enough points (top is 24) to make top 20 based on the points the original top 20 had (bottom was 25). You guys are hilarious, you have no idea how this game looks from my side of the Internet.
Days of 36 +2
2001 A Space Odyssey -1
Taxi Driver -1
2 or 3 Things I Know about Her +Audition (Miike) – The Big Sleep -
+2 – INLAND EMPIRE
-1 – Chasing Amy
-1 – Body Double
Chasing Amy is now gone
as long as people don’t muddy up the votes with positives (:
My Friend Ivan Lapshin +2Jackie Brown -1RoboCop -1
I’d personally call The Hour of the Furnaces part propaganda/part genuine critique, but I agree with Robert that the issues it raises are valid. The film is well worth watching and is interestingly constructed imo.
Top Hat +2
Last Tango in Paris -1
Rio Bravo -1
Can anyone refer me to a list of the chapters and sub-chapters of Hour of the Furnaces? The damn youtube playlist is out of order.
EDIT: never mind, an old friend took care of me.
O Megalexandros +2
Pulp Fiction -1
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly +2
Barry Lyndon -1
Touch of Evil -1
Manoel on the Island of Miracles +2
Groundhog Day -1
Starship Troopers -1
It’s Les amants du Pont-Neuf, not Les amants des pont-neuf.
+2 Brief Encounter
-1 Three Godless Years
In the Mood for Love -1
Make Way for Tomorrow +2
Star Wars -1
+2 Enter the Void
-1 Boogie Nights
Le Trou +2
Au hasard Balthazar -1
Distant Voices, Still Lives -1
Since i just realized that my strategy to vote for my favorite films with the lowest point are just pointless thanks to the abundance of participants so i’m gonna take a more pragmatic way: voting for my favorite film with some modest point
+2 La Jetee
-1 Spirit of the Beehive
btw anyone voting for Sans Soleil must also vote for Vertigo. Those who have seen the film will vouch for this.