“if you haven’t seen Salo”
….you can easily read Sade’s novel, who’s a much better author than Pasolini’s petty writing attempts.
If you don’t want to Salo, then you’re clearly anti-art….
I find it fascinating that poor, dumb, provincial, handsome Rick Perry (and I’m not talking down to his background- I’m from the same Texas county), lost the GOP nomination with the only honest moment he’s had during the campaign: “If you don’t believe illegal immigrant children should get in-state tuition for college, then you’re heartless.”
BOOM- delusions of grandeur over.
Have you actually read pasolini, Dimitris?
a fortiori, have you actually read Sade?
Yet another question: Do Pasolini’s writings even exist in English?
“Have you actually read pasolini, Dimitris?”
I’ve read many excerpts from 2 of his books IN GREEK, nearly all of them and don’t anyone, not even that little idiot Ehrenstein give me that nonsense of which is which in each and one language and what do translations miss, his film theories are acceptable to say the least and repugnant with a dose of superlative “eloquence”, which is why I won’t even bother to read his stories yet his poetry is similar to his joyous cinematic pieces, I’d say this is where he mostly belongs in the art of writing. I’m not surprised many of his handwritten work has been released here in our bookstores since Italian writers are on the top 5 of most published “countries” here, hehe.
Please Ehrenstein, next time you ask a question like that, beware, I don’t belong to the lot of critics and academics like you who keep reading the same pile of Westerners and care about specific countries, regions and “authors”. Expand your horizons more signor dilettante. I thought that by avoiding this forum, I’d spare the bullshit criticism and petty ironies from a number of members around here, it seems that creeps will never change.
“Beware!” You sound like Bela Lugosi in "Glenn or Glemda.’
Youre seething contempt for me is well known round these parts, signor snob. Clearly you’ve answered my question. You haven’t read either Sade or pasolini.
Yes, Ben, Pasolini’s writing exist in english. I reccomended “heretical Empericism” earlier in this thread. Without too much effort you can find a volume of his selected portry (in Italaina nd english translation) as well as his nove;s and “The Dinine Mimessis.” Go forht and Google.
Thank you David.
“Clearly you’ve answered my question. You haven’t read either Sade or pasolini.”
The two Sade books in my library prove otherwise but it seems your reading method is that of a 60 year old academic who acts like a manic university professor and thanks very much, we have enough of those in my country, we don’t like racist Americans either. Next time you offend me, beware how you do that, don’t try to offend my intellectually, my reading comprehension and my knowledge, I know more about your fucking country’s culture than you’ll ever know. You lefties are the same as the right-wings, potatoheads and pseudo-altruists.
By the way, it’s your, not youre, just in case more people condemn my writing skills, not being a native Anglophone speaker and all. Moreover, snobs are open-minded, they don’t praise films and literature from the Western Empire just because they were taught this way.
“Next time you offend me, beware how you do that, don’t try to offend my intellectually, my reading comprehension and my knowledge,”
Oh, are you going to hop a jet, come to L.A. and beat me up? I’m shaking in my little boots.
Maybe back to Pasolini and Salo now?… please
Anyway, If I can find this today I’ll be purchasing it. I’ll be eager to watch it again after seeing it about two years ago.
Can you believe that part of my final senior project involved Salo?
That’s quite a project, Ben. How was it that “Salo” was chosen?
I would like to mention that someone earlier likened a film critic to a scholar, which is a comparison that I very much so agree with. Now, I’m not a film critic and I don’t know any film critics personally, but it I would hope – no, expect – that ALL of them have seen Pasolini’s final film; and more than once. As Pasolini is undoubtedly important to film, Salo is undeniably important to Pasolini. This means that, whether your like it or not, a good, scholarly film critic should have Salo securely in their repertoire of films that they can readily and easily cite and reference when it becomes THEIR JOB to do so. In my opinion, being a film critic who refuses to see any film because they find the subject matter ugly is like a historian who chooses to ignore the historical events that they find to be morally reprehensible.
During my senior year of high school I was selected to be a part of an experimental project to allow Seniors to produce and complete their own term papers and produce a physical project rather than focus on the three approved topics ( Holocaust, Macbeth, or a Serial Killer). Needless to say I chose to do mine on film.
The one requirement for the research paper was that it had to involve a controversy, and after doing little digging Pasolini came up as did his “notorious” final film. The film itself only made a brief appearance in the written essay but the short documentary I created had an entire section dedicated to it. I will admit at the time I was considerably uneducated about such things at the time and really didn’t process the film in the way it deserved. I had a warm reception to it, but I really don’t think I was mature enough to process it fully. It must have been a halfway decent project because I graduated from High School.
^ lol — yay for graduating from HS! :D
Thinking back on it I’m surprised I wasn’t called down to the office with one of the administrators demanding an explanation. One teacher asked if I would show it publicly. The answer was “No.”.
Quite interesting, Ben. Youcould have picked a more “acceptably controversial” film like say The Night Porter. But Salo is really diving right into the deep end.
My high school was as fascist as the executioners in Salo so i can only imagine what would’ve happened to me had i chosen that for a project. I got sent to the administrator for arguing that Lord of the Flies (the novel) was an allegory for the occult and the worship of Nature and the Devil.
Salo would’ve been too much for me in high school, much less my peers. But enough about Pasolini, i’m still interested in how Dimitris will “outsmart” and “belittle” Ehrenstein!
But enough about Pasolini, i’m still interested in how Dimitris will “outsmart” and “belittle” Ehrenstein!
Ok guys, let’s not go there. Really it’s between them. For offline.
It’s really tiresome to see you guys beat one another up here on the public forums. Give the testosterone a rest, will ya?
“Hello. My name is Indigo Montoya. Prepare to die”
Cinephiles fighting on the forums=
I can’t help it, I’m a girl and always for peace when possible, at that…
How about a slice of baby cake? lol
This was supposed to be a “James Bond” wedding cake. LOL From “cake wrecks” image search in Google.
i was just trollin :-/
i hope this Salo themed delicious cake is a suitable apology. MANGIA!
@Odi, all of your cake postings are so good too lolol
Oh my God, it’s an “eat shit and die” cake! ha ha ha ha
The “shit” used in Salo was actually the very best chocolate. Pasolini’s actors pretended it was shit on camera then greedily gobbled it down once the sceen was finished shooting.
Really — what a great fact! lol LOVE it!