Scorpiorising has a lot of work to do…
I don’t agree with a lot of the new additions.
Glad to see The Blues Brothers finally get some respect!
wait a sec, so the first part is the elimination part and in the second column are the new ones?
if so,i find it a travesty There Will Be Fuckin’ Blood entered the list and they removed Sandra of the Thousand Delights, DAMMIT!!!!
p.s.: Million Dollar Baby? seriously?
For what it’s fuckin’ worth I think There Will Be Fuckin’ Blood is the best fuckin’ film of the last ten fuckin’ years. (Just fuckin’ sayin’).
P.S. I haven’t seen Sandra of The Thousand Fuckin’ Delights.
I’m glad Tale of Tales enter the list.
Their list a point of reference to me, but seriously, how can a list of anything include Lord of the Rings, The Matrix and other stuff, and at the same time some really artistic stuff, like – you name it?
I just hope they name all historically important directors and some of their more influential movies (but that doesn’t always mean their best movies).
I wonder how many really good movies are there? If we exclude all blockbusters but include all worthwhile films from really good directors? 1500? 3000?
These people think matrix and lord of the rings are valuable in history of cinema (I think it too).
OK, Tarkovsky also said he liked Terminator 1, but you know… It’s really different kinds of cinema.
Generally, I suppose the list gets more questionable as you get closer to our times.
Besides, I sometimes wonder if we shouldn’t just leave the top 50 or a 100 positions simply blank?
Like Robert Altman once said, that nobody had ever made a good movie. And this would be an optimistic view on cinema, meaning that there are better movies still to come and the medium is still young, there is still a lot in it to explore.
Terminator and Tarkovsky films are achievements of cinema in a different way but achievements after all (though I NEVER would compare them). The diferences can coexist.
I agree with you at “Generally, I suppose the list gets more questionable as you get closer to our times”. It´s reasonable since TIME has expressed its verdict with the old films (no body could dare taking Citizen Kane out of the list).
I agree with you at the second post. The ranking is unnecessary. It would be better only the list (of the major films) without ranking.
Yay to your last point!
A different look would be the Pantheon directors:
I agree with that list, but what’s with the exclusion of Yang? I always thought he was well lauded on TSP. Some inclusions just baffle me; George Lucas? James Cameron? George Romero?! C’mon, I expect better.
When Harry Met Sally…, Se7en, Amelie. What the fuck!?
But I won’t lie. I sure am glad to see some of my favorites here. :D
I don’t think I should follow this since it’s going to be tough for me. But then again, only a few here have been nominated i.e. Mother India.
But still, I’m too lazy.
the pantheon directors is still conventional…
hell, i do like Terminator but i expected something better than Kill Bill removing Arsenic and Old Lace or Days of Being Wild instead…and for what? for fuckin’ Kill Bill?
the above goes to you Rumple, dedicated…a pity, because Sandra is not only one of Visconti’s best films but outclasses EVERYTHING FUCKIN’ TARANTINO AND FUCKIN’ PTA EVER FUCKIN’ MADE!
the great Jerry Lewis (Bellboy) and Hitchcock’s masterwork Rope
in favor of Tarantino, AI, Dracula (which is a great central performance but a lousy film) and Aronofsky
what kind of world is this
I have no problem with more mainstream films to enter the list.Cinema has many different aspects,not only art house movies are worthwhile.
But,I can’t accept Amelie,When Harry Met Sally or Kill Bill entering the list instead of Kobayashi’s masterpieces.Harakiri and Kwaidan not included in list with 1000 moviesIs there any Kobayashi films in the list nowJust unbelievable.I mean,HARAKIRI WAS EVEN IN THE IMDB TOP 250 for a long period of time.Kobayashi’s films are great,they deserve a much bigger praise on this list.He is by far greater than Tarantino,Kostner,Aronofsky or Van Sant.
“I have no problem with more mainstream films to enter the list”
i support this statement too Jake but as you said, not in favor of grand delights such are Harakiri, Bad Timing, Lessons of Darkness or even the Round-Up..
Copy and paste (Bill G, TSPDT’s webmaster):
“Where is the love? Some notable directors still without a film in the 1,000 Greatest Films listing include: Aleksandr Sokurov, Michael Haneke, Chuck Jones, Stephen Frears, Abel Ferrara, James Ivory, Frederick Wiseman, Ernie Gehr, Peter Watkins, Peter Kubelka, Ettore Scola, Steven Soderbergh, Cameron Crowe, Jules Dassin, Jonas Mekas, Raul Ruiz, Tex Avery, Yvonne Rainer, Derek Jarman, Aki Kaurismäki, Richard Donner, Tsai Ming-Liang, Jan Svankmajer, Alan Parker, Frank Tashlin, Jean Epstein, and so on, and so on.”
Obviously each of us has a personal pantheon, and all different! TSPDT’s list is just the sum.
Thanks all for your replies and good luck to ScorpioRising (btw, #392) with his project to find the best absent movies.
“Terminator and Tarkovsky films are achievements of cinema in a different way but achievements after all (though I NEVER would compare them). The diferences can coexist.”
Well, everything can coexist. Terminator, Tarkovsky, Emmerich, Bay, Wood, McG, Renoir, George P. Cosmatos, Cassavetes, etc. all coexist and no one can change that. They are all achievements to someone I’m sure Cosmatos’ children are very proud of Cobra. The anger some feel comes from the attempt to narrow down the countless achievements of cinema into 1000 of the best which, by having Terminator and Tarkovsky coexist, the list fails to do. Then again, all lists pretty much fail, especially this kind of poll based list.
This is the canon. I’m trying to go through the list little by little because there are a lot of great films, and it helps me make sure that I’ve seen the basics.
Complaining about what is on it and what isn’t is kind of silly because you are criticizing the general consensus of a ton of lists, not one person or group’s opinion.
I’m confused by some of what was kicked off and some of what was added, and that there is still is zero Haneke, but oh well.
yeah, the fact Lives of Others is a new addition but still no Haneke is kinda disturbing… :S
speaking of contemporaries though…
concerning the oldies, i sitll don’t understand why the hell every single Godard must be on that list…In Praise of Love? seriously? over Landscape in the Mist or Lucifer Rising???
But Dimitris, not as many people have seen Landscape in the Mist, hence they couldn’t put it on their list!
That’s why I see no point in getting annoyed with it. A list is just a list. The canon is just the canon. There are no restrictions on wandering out of the canon.
But AI confuses me a little…
not many have seen Getaway by the Man Peckinpah but is that a reason alone to remove it for Dark Knight? ;)
see…the canon ISN’T just the canon…it has to be changed… (and i’ll be damned if Dark Knight is going to become canon but not Peckinpah)
“Complaining about what is on it and what isn’t is kind of silly because you are criticizing the general consensus of a ton of lists, not one person or group’s opinion.”
True, and I have no issue with the guys at the site. My issue is with the consensus.
you should not have In Praise of Love and Speilberg next to each other, lot of hatred there
Angel
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm
New update “As voted by 2,041 critics, filmmakers, reviewers, scholars and other likely film types, and over 1,100 worlwide polls”.
This time round, a total of 68 films have come and gone:
Angel at My Table, An / Campion, Jane / 1990
Swing Time / Stevens, George / 1936
Short Film About Killing, A / Kieslowski, Krszystof / 1987
Hidden Fortress, The / Kurosawa, Akira / 1958
Arabian Nights / Pasolini, Pier Paolo / 1974
When Harry Met Sally… / Reiner, Rob / 1989
Round-Up, The / Jancsó, Miklós / 1965
Landscape in the Mist / Angelopoulos, Theo / 1988
Europa / von Trier, Lars / 1991
Of a Thousand Delights / Visconti, Luchino / 1965
Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown / Almodóvar, Pedro / 1988
Atlantic City / Malle, Louis / 1980
Flaming Creatures / Smith, Jack / 1963
Tenant, The / Polanski, Roman / 1976
Quadrophenia / Roddam, Franc / 1979
I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang / LeRoy, Mervyn / 1932
Mother India / Khan, Mehboob / 1957
Klute / Pakula, Alan J. / 1971
Scenes from Under Childhood / Brakhage, Stan / 1970
Tales of Hoffmann, The / Powell, Michael / Emeric Pressburger / 1951
Vive L’Amour / Tsai Ming-Liang / 1994
Tale of the Wind, A / Ivens, Joris / 1988
Happiness / Solondz, Todd / 1998
Land of Silence and Darkness / Herzog, Werner / 1971
Missing / Costa-Gavras, Constantin / 1982
Utamaro and His Five Women / Mizoguchi, Kenji / 1946
Go-Between, The / Losey, Joseph / 1970
Days of Being Wild / Wong Kar-Wai / 1990
Femme infidèle, La / Chabrol, Claude / 1969
Getaway, The / Peckinpah, Sam / 1972
Arsenic and Old Lace / Capra, Frank / 1944
Rope / Hitchcock, Alfred / 1948
Harakiri / Kobayashi, Masaki / 1962
From Here to Eternity / Zinnemann, Fred / 1953
Dangerous Liaisons / Frears, Stephen / 1988
Burnt by the Sun / Mikhalkov, Nikita / 1994
Ben-Hur / Niblo, Fred / 1926
Kwaidan / Kobayashi, Masaki / 1964
Lucifer Rising / Anger, Kenneth / 1972
Wings of Eagles, The / Ford, John / 1957
King of the Children / Chen Kaige / 1987
Luna / Bertolucci, Bernardo / 1979
Little Foxes, The / Wyler, William / 1941
Lessons of Darkness / Herzog, Werner / 1992
Ryan’s Daughter / Lean, David / 1970
Bad Timing / Roeg, Nicolas / 1980
Pandora and the Flying Dutchman / Lewin, Albert / 1951
Last of the Mohicans, The / Mann, Michael / 1992
Bellboy, The / Lewis, Jerry / 1960
Moonrise / Borzage, Frank / 1948
Big Chill, The / Kasdan, Lawrence / 1983
Leaving Las Vegas / Figgis, Mike / 1995
Maskerade / Forst, Willi / 1934
Accident / Losey, Joseph / 1967
Louisiana Story / Flaherty, Robert / 1948
Lost Horizon / Capra, Frank / 1937
Empire of the Sun / Spielberg, Steven / 1987
Dark Eyes / Mikhalkov, Nikita / 1987
Blast of Silence / Baron, Allen / 1961
Ladies’ Man, The / Lewis, Jerry / 1961
Man of Marble / Wajda, Andrzej / 1977
Angel Face / Preminger, Otto / 1953
Duellists, The / Scott, Ridley / 1977
Four Friends / Penn, Arthur / 1981
Sheltering Sky, The / Bertolucci, Bernardo / 1990
White Shadows in the South Seas / Van Dyke II, W.S. / 1928
Testament of Orpheus / Cocteau, Jean / 1959
My Love Has Been Burning / Mizoguchi, Kenji / 1949
And there are 68 new entries:
Red Balloon, The / Lamorisse, Albert / 1956
Cool Hand Luke / Rosenberg, Stuart / 1967
Last Detail, The / Ashby, Hal / 1973
Story of a Cheat, The / Guitry, Sacha / 1936
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind / Gondry, Michel / 2004
Young Frankenstein / Brooks, Mel / 1974
Blood Simple / Coen, Joel and Ethan Coen / 1984
Fly, The / Cronenberg, David / 1986
National Lampoon’s Animal House / Landis, John / 1978
Shock Corridor / Fuller, Sam / 1963
Sorrow and the Pity, The / Ophüls, Marcel / 1970
Robocop / Verhoeven, Paul / 1987
Man from Laramie, The / Mann, Anthony / 1955
Pan’s Labyrinth / del Toro, Guillermo / 2006
Ordinary People / Redford, Robert / 1980
My Own Private Idaho / Van Sant, Gus / 1991
Abraham’s Valley / de Oliveira, Manoel / 1993
Dances with Wolves / Costner, Kevin / 1990
Lives of Others, The / von Donnersmarck, Florian Henckel / 2006
W.R.: Mysteries of the Organism / Makavejev, Dusan / 1971
Saragossa Manuscript, The / Has, Wojciech / 1964
Grave of the Fireflies / Takahata, Isao / 1988
Saving Private Ryan / Spielberg, Steven / 1998
Subarnarekha / Ghatak, Ritwik / 1965
There Will Be Blood / Anderson, Paul Thomas / 2007
Blues Brothers, The / Landis, John / 1980
Requiem for a Dream / Aronofsky, Darren / 2000
War of the Worlds, The / Haskin, Byron / 1953
A.I. Artificial Intelligence / Spielberg, Steven / 2001
Red and the White, The / Jancsó, Miklós / 1967
Times of Harvey Milk, The / Epstein, Rob / 1984
Dracula / Browning, Tod / 1931
Pixote / Babenco, Hector / 1981
Douce / Autant-Lara, Claude / 1943
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? / Zemeckis, Robert / 1988
Seconds / Frankenheimer, John / 1966
To Live / Zhang Yimou / 1994
Corbeau, Le / Clouzot, Henri-Georges / 1943
Long Day Closes, The / Davies, Terence / 1992
Ed Wood / Burton, Tim / 1994
Gleaners & I, The / Varda, Agnès / 2000
Argent, L’ / L’Herbier, Marcel / 1928
Dark Knight, The / Nolan, Christopher / 2008
Ride Lonesome / Boetticher, Budd / 1959
Se7en / Fincher, David / 1995
Poison / Haynes, Todd / 1990
Jour de Féte / Tati, Jacques / 1948
Death of Mr. Lazarescu, The / Puiu, Cristi / 2005
Dog Star Man / Brakhage, Stan / 1964
Amélie / Jeunet, Jean-Pierre / 2001
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The / Jackson, Peter / 2003
Million Dollar Baby / Eastwood, Clint / 2004
Baker’s Wife, The / Pagnol, Marcel / 1938
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The / Jackson, Peter / 2002
Stray Dog / Kurosawa, Akira / 1949
Roaring Twenties, The / Walsh, Raoul / 1939
Ox-Bow Incident, The / Wellman, William / 1943
Elephant / Van Sant, Gus / 2003
In Praise of Love / Godard, Jean-Luc / 2001
Kill Bill Vol. 1 / Tarantino, Quentin / 2003
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse / Minnelli, Vincente / 1962
Mothlight / Brakhage, Stan / 1963
Near Dark / Bigelow, Kathryn / 1987
Tale of Tales / Norshteyn, Yuriy / 1979
Mr. Arkadin / Welles, Orson / 1955
Husbands and Wives / Allen, Woody / 1992
Truman Show, The / Weir, Peter / 1998
Fires on the Plain / Ichikawa, Kon / 1959