YouTube User comment: “Tarantino doesn’t fuck around. Meteor hammers, Japanese schoolgirls, sword fights… He just takes everything that is recognizable as FUCKING AWESOME and blasts it right into your brain”
So true!
Tarantino doesn’t look for depth ;) He just love Cinema and make plots only few directors could.
By the way…..James cameron is not that good.
“I love sarcasm on boards like this. You have to be joking to mention Godard or Spielberg or Tarantino or Melville as overrated directors. Oh man, you guys are funny.”
Is that sarcasm?
My opinion only…….good lord I have tried to watch and admire all these directors, but I continue to scratch my head over the following:
1. Francois Truffaut (except for Shoot the Pian Player. His life as a film critic may have made him too cautious, too over thinking)
2. Lucino Visconti (weary, slow)
3. Cohen Brothers (too full of themselves- too contrived – too overly produced – except somehow it works in Fargo)
4. Pier Paolo Passolini ( too “out there” for me to understand although I keep trying)
5. Post 1920 Charles Chaplin (all about him, him, him)
6. Post 1920 Cecil B. DeMille ( prolific filmaker but too moralistic and later films, the height of overindulgence & grandiosity)
8. DW Griffith
7. Robert Altman (agree with what has been said all along – I find his films unwatchable, unfocused and all over the place, but brilliant man)
I fear mentioning the names of Chaplin, DeMille, and Griffith who are early pioneers of our film history and we owe so much to. They were prolific at creating groundbreaking works at the time. I know I should cut them some slack, but I much prefer directors such as GW Pabst, FW Murneau, Erich Von Stroheim and Fritz Lang (although they can’t hold a candle to the amount of films made before the 1920’s by American directors DeMille, Chaplin and Griffith).
Tim Burton. I cannot stand those stand those kids that keep saying he is original all his crap is the same!! I think a vein exploded in my forehead ohh well.
How is Sam Peckinpah overrated?
Howard Hawks, Orson Welles and Steven Spielberg for sure (and i could probably name another 3 or 5 american ones who are way too much in those top directors lists anyway)
The first two especially, since Spielberg does get some of the criticism he deserves, while Hawks and Welles are almost holy and untouchable and i never saw anyone seriously saying how overrated they really are. Since i saw so much bashing of certain great European or Asian directors, it was bloody time someone mentioned the Holy Cows of so called classic Hollywood and the supposed “golden era” directors. Not for me they aren’t :D
Emir Kusturica. His recent films are largely overshadowed by his earlier work, and two first films – Do You Remember Dolly Bell? (Sjecas li se Dolly Bell) and When Father Was Away on Busines (Otac na sluzbenom putu). His last good movie was Arizona Dream (1993). After that, we could say that he just keep on directing relatively poor movies – Crna macka, beli macor (1998), Zivot je cudo (2004), Zavet (2007), and documentary Maradona by Kusturica (2008).
Then I would have to say – Cohen Brothers, Oliver Stone, Michael Bay, Luc Besson, Tim Burton, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott. All quite overrated.
I’m so surprised at those who mention Tim Burton. Yes, his tone and themes remain along the same lines, but there is a level of detail and feeling that I think is quite excellent. CORPSE BRIDE and ED WOOD are just fabulous pictures.
I agree.
I’m waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola or something like that.
Lynch. Definitely Lynch.
“Overrated” doesn’t mean anything.
dp
“Overrated” doesn’t mean anything.
“Overrated” puts one’s subjectivity in control of control
>>6. Post 1920 Cecil B. DeMille ( prolific filmaker but too moralistic and later films, the height of overindulgence & grandiosity)<<
I agree that Cecil B. DeMille certainly became moralistic in real life (& joined in over-enthusiastically with HUAC) — even while keeping at least 3 mistresses in addition to his wife — but I find his 20s, 30s and early 40s output lots of fun. And let’s recall that his Biblical/historical epics started as a reaction to the censors. He is reputed to have stated, “I’ll show them. I’ll film the Bible. You couldn’t clean that up with a shovel!” Keeping that in mind, his films are perverse & subversive.
And even up to the end, with the ghastly GREATEST SNOOZE … er … SHOW ON EARTH and the over-ripe TEN COMMANDMENTS he was a supreme visual stylist.
>>Howard Hawks, Orson Welles and Steven Spielberg for sure<<
There is no possible way to overrate Hawks or Welles. They are gods of cinema. And when you realize that almost all of Welles’ films after 1950 were put together piecemeal, over years, as money dribbled in, they become even more impressive.
>>I’m waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola or something like that<<
In 27 pages, I’m almost certain someone has nominated them.
Peter Jackson
the last movie he made of interest was heavenly creatures
Ehhm.. After all this is just subjective. Every director has his best work, but most of them are inconsistent. They just keep on making movies despite most of the time they don’t know what they even wanted to point out. Corpse Bride is great movie, but even so I’m getting a feeling that Burton is sometimes bored with himself.
And I would have to agree with you, Coppola & Corsese are definitely overrated (even if I think The Godfather trilogy is just great), but they are just being inconsistent.
And I don’t think no one is nowadays like Antonioni or Bergman, they are maybe the only consistent authors.
Igor: Weerasethakul and Hong Sang-soo are pretty consistent. In fact, Hong Sang-soo is EXTREMELY consistent.
“Weerasethakul and Hong Sang-soo are pretty consistent. In fact, Hong Sang-soo is EXTREMELY consistent.”
And one day they will cease to be and some dumb ass with the ability to type will be claiming them to be overrated or underrated. The whole overrated/underrated conversation is interesting when someone puts a name out there that isn’t just a wank in their own mind garden.
Vic: Well-said. My main problem with such threads is that it just seems to be a way of justifying irrational dislike by elevating one to a superior position over a director, dismissing his or her work without carefully exploring it and being belligerent about it.
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Finally someone said it…
I did said I was waiting for someone posting Scorsese or Coppola so this thread could look more weird that it was. I know it’s subjective but…
Although I agree with you Igor about consistency but I think it’s not an essential quality in a master of cinema. Well what is consistency anyway?
Now I want to see Bergman or Antonioni as overrated :P
Alion Dervishi
I love sarcasm on boards like this. You have to be joking to mention Godard or Spielberg or Tarantino or Melville as overrated directors. Oh man, you guys are funny.