Bumping this up to help avoid confusion with other thread with same title.
Paris, Texas 0 v The Big City 1
I’ve always found Paris Texas unconvincing. Not the case with Ray
Fitzcarraldo 0 v Bhumika: The Role 1
Great melodrama, reminds me a little of Douglas Sirk
The Marriage of Maria Braun 1 v And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 0
Fassbinder’s best and Schygulla makes two.
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Paris, Texas o v The Big City 1
Fitzcarraldo v Bhumika: The Role 1
The Marriage of Maria Braun 1 v And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 0
Need to sleep soon so I’ll cut the comments short. Six fine selections, and particularly difficult decisions in the second and third pairings, but I feel pretty comfortable with the decisions overall. I hate to vote against Fitzcarraldo since I have fond memories of seeing it at the theater when it came out, but Bhumika really caught my interest and it was pleasing to see Apursansar bring in a little Bollywoodstyle, even if it is only through the backdoor. The final pairing was also very close since I like both films a great deal, but I had to give a slight edge to Marriage for its more interesting visual style. Paris , Texas I like, but The Big City I love so that one wasn’t difficult.
I foresee an India victory.
I don’t know Dan, I think Fitzcarraldo and Maria could be tough competition. Good luck to both teams. They’ll need it.
Paris Texas 0- THE BIG CITY 1
clear decision for another masterpiece by Ray. Paris Texas was dissapointing for me. Even though it has it great moments, no chance against BIG CITY. And in comparison to Rays sensitive portrait of a young woman who seeks a job and with it a piece of independence and dignity, Paris Texas unfortunately shows that Wenders is definitely not a master in portraing women.
Fitzcarraldo 0 – BHUMIKA 1
Another clear decision between two epic films. Fitzcarraldo is not more than a shadow of ealier Herzog-films, just a bit more spectacular but quite empty.
The Marriage of Maria Braun 0 AND QUIET ROLLS THE DAMN 1
I believe that all non-german Fassbinder Fans must be right in seeing something in him what I never saw and never will. Happens all the time. Sens film is again an insight into bengali reality.
So a clear hatrick for India.
Fitzcarraldo (Werner Herzog) 1 v Bhumika: The Role (Shyam Benegal) 0
One of my favorite Herzog films, and i love my Herzog.
The Marriage of Maria Braun (Rainer Werner Fassbinder) 1 v And Quiet Rolls the Dawn (Mrinal Sen) 0
Just getting into fassbinder – i’m impressed!
Couldn’t catch the first match but eager to do so…will vote on that if i have time.
The Marriage of Maria Braun 1 – And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 0
The Marriage of Maria Braun 0 – And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 1
Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders) 1 v The Big City (Satyajit Ray) 0 (a close call for me)
Fitzcarraldo (Werner Herzog) 0 v Bhumika: The Role (Shyam Benegal) 1
The Marriage of Maria Braun (Rainer Werner Fassbinder) 1 v And Quiet Rolls the Dawn (Mrinal Sen) 0 (one of the great masterpieces of world cinema, Maria Braun against an excellent Indian film.)
Paris, Texas 0 – The Big City 1
Paris, Texas 1 The Big City 0
Fitzcarraldo 0 – Bhumika: The Role 1
The Marriage of Maria Braun 1 – And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 0
Sorry I couldn’t give the Indian team more support, but the German films are all classics by any standard and hard for any team to surpass.
The films from India all seemed to be about the consequences of females entering the workplace. In The Big City, a woman gets a job to supplement her husband and gains some independence along the way. In Bhumika, we have the story of a successful Bollywood actress who basically supports her family inspite of the consequences to her own personal life. And Quiet Rolls the Dawn one woman is the sole breadwinner of a large extended family and her late arrival from work sends the household into turmoil and confusion, bringing out underlying tensions and resentments in the family and community. I thought Bhumika by far the most interesting and original, hence the vote for this over my second favourite Herzog. This was a hard choice, but I wanted to give at least one film from India my support here.
Bhumika’s ironic take on Bollywood films, its use of flashbacks done in b&w to colour for the main story were great touches. This is a Bollywood film that is also an intense drama, as we learn more about the trials and tribulations of the lead actress, so brilliantly portrayed by Smita Patil. A film that works on many levels and is thoroughly entertaining to boot. I loved it! Of course, my love for Fitzcarraldo is undiminished, too, but that’s the nature of this event. Let’s just say Bhumika was a real find.
I hadn’t seen The Marriage of Maria Braun before the event and was taken by the great acting tour-de-force by Hanna Schygulla. She plays an opportunist – a totally independent and liberated woman – in post war Germany to perfection. Fassbinder’s close attention to detail and fine acting by all makes this a classic of modern German cinema. I am happy to have finally gotten around to seeing this wonderful film. Btw – the naked black man in one of the crucial scenes somehow reminded me of our old troll – wonder why? No need for any fanfare from me re the other German films.
Thanks for an entertaining mix, managers, but team Germany pulled out all the stops.
“’Sorry I couldn’t give the Indian team more support, but the German films are all classics by any standard and hard for any team to surpass.”
i won’t be voting yet but i really think the respective Indian opponents are classics of their own.
plus…Wenders has given us more important German works of his than Paris, Texas,it’s a typical “favorite” film although Alice in the Cities and The State of Things are clean-cut works of art,something Paris,Texas will NEVER achieve to be.
(even if it’s his best English-language film to date)
I’ve been having renewed problems with internet connection for viewing, keeps stopping and starting, but in the meantime:
Marriage of Maria Braun 1 And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 0
i have had mixed reactions to Fassbinder, but this is my favourite by him, Schygulla at her best, the German “economic miracle” (and capitalism generally) is seductive but has casualties, whereas i find the Sen film a bit claustrophobic and less appealing than most of the Indian selections so far. This is likely a matter of personal taste and temperament.
current scores
Paris, Texas 2 The Big City 4
Fitzcarraldo 1 Bhumika: The Role 5
The Marriage of Maria Braun 7 And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 2
I really like both the Indian films but:
Paris, Texas 1 v The Big City 0
Fitzcarraldo 1 v Bhumika: The Role 0
Both really close but I think the German films are more unique.
Fitzcarraldo 1 – Bhumika: The Role 0
>And Quiet Rolls the Dawn one woman is the sole breadwinner of a large extended family and her late arrival from work sends the household into turmoil and confusion, bringing out underlying tensions and resentments in the family and community.
Yes, that’s a part of the meaning, however the film offers a subtler point: it is set in a Calcutta really … dirty and chaotic, and the family unit is taken as a sample to describe the appaling alienation of the country; in this country, a daughter who is missing for 12 hours becomes even a ‘stranger’ (as a character said, can’t remember now). And afterwards…
The ending of this film is real genius.
>Wenders has given us more important German works of his than Paris, Texas,it’s a typical “favorite” film although Alice in the Cities and The State of Things are clean-cut works of art,something Paris,Texas will NEVER achieve to be.
Again, completely agree with this Greek guy.
Paris, Texas 1 v The Big City 0
Paris Texas 0 The Big City 1
Boo, as much as I love my Fassbinder films, I don’t want to see Germany go to the next round. I mean, films by Wim Winders, Werner Herzog, and Rainer Werner Fassbinder don’t need to be chosen in this competition to get more recognition and acknowledgement but films from India do.
But I do prefer Mahanagar over Paris Texas. Even though most of you seem to love Charulata and think it’s Satyajit Ray’s film, I think I cherish Mahanagar more. Sure, the racist issue in the end involving the Anglo-Indian woman and the boss seems reminiscent of the forced and manipulative scenes in Crash (2004) but I am willing to ignore that for the issues of different co-existing cultures in the film, the old-fashioned and the modern, the young and the old, woman and man, etc. And the heroine is so charismatic and charming, even more than Charu in Charulata.
If The Big City was a Hollywood film, the husband would get all drunk and whine about how he has lost his pride and respect for his wife. The wife would feel guilty about it and would force herself to quit, for the sake of the husband. And it goes back to the status quo. Or if the woman does continue working, the husband will be such a loser and go break up with her. It’s really shocking how these kinds of film plots still exist in modern films.
The Marriage of Maria Braun 0 And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 1
I hate The Marriage of Maria Braun, one of my least favorite Fassbinder films. I do have to watch it again but I don’t think my opinion would differ since I’m such a stubborn ass.
Let’s see what the wise women of And Quiet Rolls the Dawn have to say about Maria Braun. The women in this film give the most insightful words in the film, the old woman about how they give such a big deal about a woman who has been away from home during night for hours than if it was a man, the young girl next door being wiser than her parents who seem so prejudiced towards a working woman, and the sister about how all this time after the elder sister is gone, all of them have only been thinking about themselves.
Huh, I just noticed that both were released in the same year. What a coincidence.
I guess I will be the only one supporting India and fighting against Germany :(. Cheers for the underdog.
Scorpiorising – fyi, Madhabi Mukherjee, the actress who played Charu in Charulatha is Arati in Mahanagar(Big City).
or did you mean to say the actress did better in Mahanagar than Charulatha
Fitzcarraldo 1 – Bhumika: The Role 0
I was aware that they were played by the same person, I can tell, but I just thought her character in Mahanagar was more charming than her character in Charulata.
fitzcarraldo 1 — 0 bhumika: the role
The Marriage of Maria Braun 0 – And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 1
ooh this match is very close, i’ll have to have another try of the video link
current scores:
Paris Texas 4 The Big City 5
Fitzcarraldo 5 Bhumako 5
The Marriage of Maria Braun 7 And Quiet Rolls the Dawn 4
a draw, but not a tie
did we decide what to do in the event of an absolute tie? 1 1/2 v 1 1/2 and same number of votes. We won’t have time for a rematch, new films playing off, and i suggested a continuation till one has 2 more votes than the other, but don’t know what other possibilities there are. I hope it doesn’t come to a tie for the nerves of both managers
Kenji
THE AUTEURS WORLD CUP 2009 : 1/4 FINAL VOTING
We are now in the second pair of 1/4 final matches. New participants are still most welcome and allowed to vote in the following match-ups.
On this thread, voting will be on Germany v India. The other match between Iran and Africa will be on another thread.
The extended voting period for this match lasts from 7 pm GTM on Friday 4th December until 6 pm GMT on Saturday 5th December, which means that users will have 23 hours in order to publish their votes. The world map which lists all current time zones can be found on www.worldtimezone.com, so that everyone can be up to date about how much time is left.
After the voting period is over the votes will be counted and the results published. We will then be having a break for selection and then viewing of semi-final matches.
The special world cup section is still to be updated, the current line-ups and previous 1/8 final films provided by The Auteurs staff can be found on: http://www.theauteurs.com/worldcup2009
Each user can vote on any line-up of each match as long as he/she has watched both films that are lined-up against each other. An explanation for the preference in each case would be greatly appreciated, as provided by most voters in the previous matches. You can vote on any single pairing; you do not have to vote on all 3 pairings of a match. Team managers are not allowed to vote on matches their own team participates in. The voting should be handled like this:
Film A 1 (or 0) – Film B 0 (or 1)
Film C 0 (or 1) – Film D 1 (or 0)
Film E 1 (or 0) – Film F 0 (or 1)
Please mark the winning film/score in large or heavy print. You can give your explanatory statements either after each vote or after all 3 votes.
The match you´re going to vote for on this thread is
GERMANY V INDIA
Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders) v The Big City (Satyajit Ray)
Fitzcarraldo (Werner Herzog) v Bhumika: The Role (Shyam Benegal)
The Marriage of Maria Braun (Rainer Werner Fassbinder) v And Quiet Rolls the Dawn (Mrinal Sen)
please ignore the other thread with same title- double post- and vote here