THE AUTEURS WORLD CUP 2009 : GROUP STAGE VOTING
We are now on the 3rd round of group matches, with 36 of 48 group matches already played. New participants are still most welcome and allowed to vote in the following match-ups.
On this thread, voting will be on the 6th match from Group 3, DENMARK V MEXICO. The other Group 3 match for voting over the next 20 hours, Japan v Balkans will be on another thread.
The voting period for this match lasts from Friday 23rd October 7 pm GMT (0) until Saturday 24th October 3 pm GMT (0), which means that users will have 20 hours in order to publish their votes. The world map which lists all current time zones can be found on www.worldtimezone.com, so that everyone can be up to date about how much time is left.
After the voting period for matches 5 and 6 of Group 3 is over the votes will be counted and the results published, before the next pair of group matches kick off. When the last 16 group matches are completed, we will be on to the knock-out stages, with 2 teams qualifying from each group. The whole competition will finish in December..
We don’t know if we will be having the long promised special world cup section, but we are now into the second half of matches anyway.
Each user can vote on any line-up of each match as long as he/she has watched both films that are lined-up against each other. An explanation for the preference in each case would be greatly appreciated, as provided by most voters in the previous matches. You can vote on any single pairing; you do not have to vote on all 3 pairings of a match. Team managers are not allowed to vote on matches in their own group. The voting should be handled like this:
Film A 1 (or 0) – Film B 0 (or 1)
Film C 0 (or 1) – Film D 1 (or 0)
Film E 1 (or 0) – Film F 0 (or 1)
Please mark the winning film/score in large or heavy print, 1 for the winning film, 0 for the loser. You can give your explanatory statements either after each vote or after all 3 votes.
The match you´re going to vote for on this thread is
DENMARK V MEXICO
1.The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) v Deep Crimson (Ripstein)2.Breaking the Waves (Von Trier) v Hasta el Viento tiene miedo (Taboada)3.Haxan (Christensen) v Salon Mexico (Emilio Fernandez)
How do you see those Mexican films, somebody? One I’ve been looking for for years and another .. well .. it hurts not to be able to vote for my favourite film of all time.
On Region 2 please.
try Christine’s homepage for links, i’m not sure, someone else may know if they’re not there
Soddit it won’t even let me search names. Christine if you’re on the touchline could you call in? There are actually two titles there I’ve been looking for for years. Mexican films are a nightmare to locate in Europe.
“Hasta el Viento tiene Miedo/Even the Wind is Afraid” can be found on http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=891945729CF1BB01
and “Salón México” on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Mz3up6fas
It seems that the streaming link for “Deep Crimson” does no longer exist.
BREAKING THE WAVES 1 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 0
I liked Hasta el Viento quite a lot, ghoststory from Mexico! But Breaking the Waves is really one of the fwe ral original european films in the 90s which got international reputation.
Muchas gracias Apur!
2. Breaking the Waves 1 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 0
3. Haxan 1 – Salon Mexico 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc 1 v Deep Crimson 0
Breaking the Waves 1 v Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 0
1. The Passion of Joan of Arc 1 – Deep Crimson 0
2. Breaking the Waves 1 – Hasta el Viento Tiene Miedo 0
3. Häxan 1 – Salón México 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc 0 – Deep Crimson 1
I’ve always had significant problems with Dreyer’s Passion. I think he makes the mistake of assuming that because we see Joan mistreated we will feel for her. But if you don’t show the humanity of the victim, it might as well be happening to a mannequin. And there’s nothing in this Joan that seems remotely human. If anything, during her trial scenes, she has the look of a crazed …
Well, I was about to say serial killer (that’s what my friends and I thought when we saw that film), but on the other side of the matchup we have actual serial killers. And despite being monstrous (oh yes, they are so very much) they are human as well. We see them, we know them, we do not absolve them, but what happens to them matters.
Just about everything in this film is perfect. The little bits of business the actors create (love Coral licking the cake knife in the early romantic scene), the lengthy, fluid takes … that especially seemed so right for this film, in particular, in a way I haven’t felt for any other film that employs such a technique. I can’t explain why. And the shots themselves are perfectly blocked, perfect combinations of blocking and shifting light.
The Passion of Joan of Arc is just pain beatified. Deep Crimson, on the other hand, shows us two people who lose their way, find themselves falling deeper and deeper into sin, face who they’ve become, and try to recapture some of their humanity, only to regain too little, too late. That is transcendent.
Deep Crimson is a fucking masterpiece.
ha ha, Sansho and Joan both bite the dust with Morkeleb!
i’m feeling very sorry about Mexico because it will be the first team before Denmark and Japan to check out after the Cup ends (my group teams),mainly because i haven’t seen as much from Mexico as i’ve seen from the other two countries…and secondly,that makes it all the more interesting to see why so much hostility????
anyways,i want to congratulate Mexico for playing in a far-fetched matter and even if it wasn’t successful,maybe the next Cup will bring weirder results after all :)
Wasn’t able to see Deep Crimson (it was available streaming at one point, but without subtitles, I believe), although I can’t imagine a film from anywhere that could beat this incredible one-of-a-kind masterpiece from Denmark. Apologies to both teams, however, for missing this vote.
Breaking the Waves 1 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 0
Much as I had many kind of cringe moments with von Trier’s brutal take on victimization, and much as I thought the bell ringing at the end a bit too much for my taste, no one can deny that this is a powerful film, a truly disturbing film. We have talked enough on other threads about von Trier’s complicated treament of women as victim in his films, but this film has enough life and truth in it, that one can forgive some of his excesses. I have yet to see Antichrist, but this film has maybe prepared me. We all know he can be unflinching in showing us the most depressing of things happening to his characters. He is like Bergman in a totally foul mood, without Bergman’s greater creative vision. Of the films I have seen of his, however, this is probably his best – love it or hate it.
The Mexican film is no real competition to this. It is in the horror genre, like Poison for the Fairies from Round 1, but I preferred the other film much more. This seemed more conventional and genre restricted. But it was a nice break from von Trier’s unrelenting heaviness, so cudos there.
Haxan 1 – Salon Mexico 0
Another Danish gem from the silent period and one of the most unusual films in all of cinema. I have seen it recently and think its imagery and use of occult symbolism take it to another plane. Salon Mexico was a very good, well-acted, and nicely paced melodrama. But, again, Denmark is just burying the competiton with its strong choices here.
haxan 1 – 0 salon mexico
the passion of joan of arc 1 — 0 profundo carmesí
“Denmark is just burying the competiton with its strong choices here.”
Joe, this is the sort of Danish selection i was preparing for with my Japanese selection in the 1st match. Canny manager tactics like South Korea’s.
Finally back from work, and excited to see the votes! Ralch, about the Haxan link, it’s dead, I’m looking for another one for you.
Im a little disspointed about the Mexican selections… but Secret Formula was a discovery.
Ralch, and anybody else for that matter, the link for Haxan is no more, but you can watch what seems to be the full length version at that URL.
The Passion of Joan of Arc 1 Deep Crimson 0
This is probably the only one that gave me a hard time. Why must I choose?
On one side, the injustice that has been done to a heroic woman ahead of her time and the hypocrisy of priests.
On the other hand, the romanticism of criminal lovers in a Mexican setting and the obese woman being the dominant one in the relationship. And a heroine who has an adoration for Charles Boyer.
But I have to choose Passion of Joan of Arc just because it has much more “humanity” to it (I’m referring to Joan, obviously, who seems to be wiser and more human than the prejudiced and narrow-minded judges and priests) even though I know Deep Crimson doesn’t even have a chance of winning against Passion. This is probably one of the rarest situations that I would choose the canonical one over the underdog.
AND BALD MEN ARE HOT =)).
The Passion of Joan of Arc v Deep Crimson 1Breaking the Waves 1 v Hasta el Viento tiene miedo
Haxan v Salon Mexico 1
I’m experiencing some wireless problems, so I will vote while I have a signal, but will have to refrain from commenting for the time being other than to say none of the votes were particularly difficult to make since I have serious issues with the three films I voted against. Deep Crimson was great, but the rest of the selections were more variable in their strengths.
Breaking the Waves 0 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 1
Hasta el Viento tiene miedo is hands down one of the best movies I’ve seen in the tournament so far – Breaking the Waves is no competition to this.
Breaking the Waves 1 v Hasta el Viento tiene miedo
I’m not much of a fan of the horror genre, but I really enjoyed the two Carlos Enrique Taboada films and want to thank Team Mexico’s manager for selecting them. I will definitely seek out more of Taboada’s work. I mean, what’s not to like about Hasta el Viento tiene miedo? It’s like Powell & Pressburger’s Black Narcissus, except this film features hot horny Latin college coeds who strip their own and each other’s clothes off for evening entertainment, whereas the former features pasty repressed English nuns who I imagine have been wearing the same undergarments for years. If this custodian position at The Auteurs Cinematheque doesn’t work out, I’ll definitely be applying for a janitorial position at this Mexican women’s college. However, with all of that said, I consider Breaking the Waves one of the finest Europeans films of the 1990s, and as much as I hate Lars von Trier’s latest piece of shit of a film, I most enthusiastically cast my vote for his searing examination of misguided faith.
I just didn’t have the time to get to the other two Team Mexico selections. My apologies. :(
Where can you see the Mexican films?
I haven’t seen any of them
1.The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) v Deep Crimson (Ripstein)
Never seen Deep Crimson
Breaking the Waves 0 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 1
Exotic Mexican choice
Haxan 0 – Salon Mexico 1
I think the follow-up ‘Víctimas del pecado’ is better, darker and without the (annoying) pink subplot, anyway my vote for Indio Fernández
Edwin, go to Christine’s page for the links. http://www.theauteurs.com/users/93287
Breaking the Waves 1 – Hasta el Viento tiene miedo 0
This is unfortunately the only match-up I managed to see both films of, but used the chace to at least catch up on Häxan which I consider a great mix of documentary and fiction. I agree with previous posters that “Breaking the Waves” is among the best films from the 90s and brilliantly illustrates von Trier´s common theme of female victimization. Although the camerawork might be (intentionally) flawed does von Trier manage to create beautiful and memorable images, and Emily Watson´s acting tour-de-force is among the most outstanding female performances I can think of. The Mexican entry “Hasta el Viento tiene Miedo” is a well-made but rather conventional horror film which fails to maintain ambivalence throughout the film by making the ghost appearant and therefore only permit a supernatural explanation of the happenings at the high-school. The concept of a girl who commited suicide and stays at the place where she died in order to take vengeance was already outdated in the 60s, and although the film manages to create atmospheric scenes at night did I have the feeling of constant déjà vus and can´t think of much I haven´t seen before. I think that “Veneno para las Hadas” worked better since it doesn´t try to scare throughout the film and leaves the viewer unprepared for the shocking climatic final, while the final vengeance act in “Hasta el Viento tiene Miedo” is easy to anticipate and left no huge impression on me. I found the film overall to be interesting and at least among the better horror films I have seen, but by no means comparable to von Trier´s achievement.
The Arturo Ripstein film was skilfully filmed and engaging, making me want to see more of his work, and a great choice that gave The Passion of Joan of Arc some stiff competition, however the Dreyer film is one of those where I still have images from it flashing through my mind, so it takes my vote.
Breaking The Waves 1 Hasta El Viento Tiene Miedo 0
I am from a small country with a small country mentality, and thus easily swayed by even a modicum of Scottish content. Putting Pants on Philip and Mary of Scotland will get an easier ride from my local thinking than they deserve. And von Trier can overcome my antipathy for his work by setting his best film here. But this lovely little Mexican horror film also slips in a reference to James Macphersons Ossian, to equalise the tartanry, and so I am left with the quality of the films, and they both have much to recommend them, but the Danish film is more substantial.
Haxan 1 Salon Mexico 0
My least favourite of the three Mexican films against my least favourite of the Danish selections and I feel guilty in not giving the Mexican films a single vote.