You and I have been there already, and I stand behind everything I said.
Look, I’m not trying to convince you to like the film—I don’t care whether you like it—but just bashing Noe as the decade’s worst director is ridiculous. If you want to continue this—let’s do it over on that thread, where the conversation’s already been started.
Specifically, I’d like to know why you have such a clear-cut opinion of Noe as a man.
No, worst director of alltime=Gelmerk Stottlemeyer
How the hell is Irreversible an adolescent male fantasy?
How can you say Haneke and Anderson are the worst. Even if you don’t like them, cmon, atleast they’re respectable.
PS I love both of them.
Again Ari, not the point.
Irreversible deserves a place no higher that Jonas Akerlund’s music video for The Prodigy’s “Smack my bitch up” wich is ok to love, but don’t even dare to sell us that as film or art. that’s Noe’s main problem, that’s why he’s one of the decade’s worst, he is completely misplaced, his followers completely confused and that is something that should upset you/us.
Gringo and Roger have already made two (well three counting Gringo’s latest post) of the best and perfectly suitable not only in lenght but in depht reviews about Irreversible, well they’re not called reviews anymore, film notes, wich in this case is also perfect cause Noe’s films don’t even deserve Reviews.
And great Josh now your attacking people by their names, that’s your take on intelligent debate? (rhetorical)
Coronel spanish for Colonel, just to help you expand your limited mind.
Gringo Tex, is not worth it, Josh Ryan is less willing to discuss his beloved Noe than we are, his next post will be – Love you all. Merry Christmas! believe me, i’ve seen it.
I’ve written more about this film on this site than any other besides maybe Inland Empire. I’m willing to discuss it with anyone who actually has something substantial to say. So far, everything you’ve said is the intellectual equivalent of, “It sucks.” Sorry if I don’t think that’s worth mounting a serious debate against.
I don’t know why everybody dislikes it so much, I thought it was great.
Worst thread of the decade nominees:
1. Worst directors of the decade
2. My Misgivings
3. Favorite movies that have better names as pornos
4. All Michael Bay threads
5. All Quentin Tarantino threads
You forgot the one about head explosions, Mike. That has to be in there somewhere.
No, no, no, Mike, what about People On The Auteurs Are Good Critic But Filmmakers No?
That’s much worse than the porno one.
Damn! You guys are right. Next year we will have ten nominees like the big boys do it.
Mike: What does the winner get anyway? :o
No, Mike, you got a lotta good ones there.
The winner receives a ball of thread and has their Auteurs account shut down until next year so they can get their head together.
Oooh, but they get thread! I might just start an anti-Josh S. topic…
Plus a signed copy of Irreversible.
Coronel, so your point is that Noe’s the worst of the decade because people who like the one feature length film that he made that was released this decade are deluded into thinking it is art?? Uh, yeah, thanks for clarifying. I actually just read through the entire Irreversible thread and I still find Gringo’s attack on the film quite shallow and literal minded. Quite frankly, I’m surprised someone who counts people like Harmony Korine, Haneke, Bruno Dumont and Grandieux as their favorite filmmakers could so vehemently hate Noe.
Hmm, maybe if it’s signed by you and Col. Dax.
Rocky: As Pete Hogwallop once said, “I’m goin’a kill you!”
In all seriousness i must defend Gringo and Coronel X to some extent as far as this thread goes. I believe the way Den set up the aim of the thread was that the usual suspects for worst director were to be given a pass while posters attacked those who are somewhat acclaimed. In that way, naming Noe or Hanake, or Lynch or whoever many feel is one of the best is pretty much what Den was looking for.
Also, I have decided to refrain from making comments until i re-watch irreversible simply because the 2 Joshes that like it so much are pretty good guys and i haven’t seen it in a while.
Eh, Mike, since when is attacking Noe slaying a sacred cow? He has his ardent supporters, yes, but you’re not really being much of an iconoclast in going after him. It’s not like someone is calling Tsai Ming-Liang or Hou Hsiao-Hsien the worst of the decade.
I’m all for the intent of this thread, but if I came on here and said Weeresethakul was a racist twit whose sense of superiority kept him from moving the camera himself—well that would be ridiculous.
I’ve seen it three times. Let me know what you think right after you’ve seen it again, Mike.
EDIT: Nice Ari! My joke would have worked better if I’d used HHH.
Well, I don’t know, he’s kind of sacred to some on the site, or at least Irreversible is. I think the way this thread is getting a bit personal supports that. Either way if someone were to call Tarantino the worst director of all time I would realize they were being hyperbolic but I would understand how they could say it.
You might be right although it’s interesting to note that the vehemence of personal attacks seem to be made more or at least initiated by people who hate his films rather than those who like them, a la Gringo’s “you like his films because their misogynistic, adolescent rape fantasies but you’re too ignorant to notice that”
Ari, when did he say that because I can’t find it in this thread. The only reference to “ignorance” from Gringo here was directed at Noe, unless I’m crazy.
I was loosely paraphrasing from this thread and from scrolling through the other Irreversible thread. We can combine that with Coronel’s attack against his “followers” as “confused” (so “confused,” in fact, that it “should upset you/us”).
If Coronel thinks the movie is not good, then wouldn’t it logically follow that the people who like it are, according to him, confused?
Well, to be completely fair the first personal attack wasn’t from Gringo but I think I’ll just stay out of it because it seems to come from other threads i wasn’t involved very deeply in and I see no good coming out of it.
Worst director of the 00’s? Probably Uwe Boll. He kind of has that Ed Wood thing going for him though, loves making films but will never be good at it even if someone gave him a billion dollars. Michael Bay isn’t good, but he can make large amounts of profit, however I don’t see his passion as film-making but as making money. Same goes with Roland Emmerich and whoever else puts out generic, cookie-cutter pictures.