if this transpires i will go into a deep depression
what would be cool: take that Strawberry Fields animated film that never was and make it. let it revolutionize CG animated films like it was originally supposed to. how? hell if i know, just dont let Zemeckis near it
i would really love to see Cronenberg’s remake of “The Fly” in there, partly because it’s a fantastic film and arguably his definitive work, and partly because the dvd is out of print
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
United States
1980
124 Min (127 Min Special Edition)
Color
English
DIR Irvin Kershner PROD Gary Kurtz, George Lucas, Rick McCallum (Special Edition) SCR Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan, George Lucas (Story) DP Peter Suschitzky, BSC CAST Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Billy Dee Williams, Kenny Baker, Anthony Daniels, Frank Oz, Peter Mayhew, David Prowse, James Earl Jones, Alec Guinness MUSIC John Williams
“Proof that a sequel can be as good as (or better than) its predecessor, The Empire Strikes Back is frequently considered the best of the original Star Wars trilogy. The 1980 film, which picks up a few years after the original movie, contains perhaps the most substantial plot developments of the three films, interweaving spiritual and romantic development and serving up a genuinely shocking cliffhanger. It also features more of the special effects that endeared Star Wars to many an audience member, further catering to its audience’s growing appetite for bigger, better effects. Dark and downbeat, Empire is at its core the most human of the trilogy, allowing its characters — generally two-dimensional in Star Wars — to flesh out to more convincing proportions. Part of this change may be due to Irvin Kershner’s directing the film; where George Lucas was a master with technology, he was not really an actor’s director, and the actors here seem noticeably more at ease. The film’s enormous success was proof that audiences were more than eager to see the Star Wars storyline continued in the years to come, something that still held true when the special edition of The Empire Strikes Back was released 17 years after the original version. Exhilarating and timeless, it remains one of the most compelling adventures ever brought to the screen. "
MICHAEL JACKSON’S THRILLER
United States
1983
14 Min
Color
English
DIR John Landis PROD George Folsey Jr. SCR John Landis, Michael Jackson DP Robert Paynter, BSC CAST Michael Jackson, Ola Ray, Vincent Price MUSIC Michael Jackson, Rod Temperton, Elmer Bernstein
_"Often referred to as the greatest music video ever, Thriller proved to have a profound effect on popular culture, and was named “a watershed moment for the [music] industry” for its unprecedented merging of filmmaking and music. Guinness World Records listed it in 2006 as the “most successful music video”, selling over 9 million units. In 2009, the video was inducted into the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress, the first music video to ever receive this honor.
Co-starring with Jackson was former Playboy centerfold Ola Ray. The video was choreographed by Michael Peters (who had worked with the singer on his prior hit “Beat It”), with Michael Jackson. The video also contains incidental music by film music composer Elmer Bernstein, who had previously also worked with Landis on An American Werewolf in London. The video (like the song) contains a spoken word performance by horror film veteran Vincent Price. Rick Baker assisted in prosthetics and makeup for the production. The red jacket that Jackson wore was designed by John Landis’ wife Deborah Landis to make him appear more “virile.”_
what’s with all this Star Wars hate? if there’s some notion that it’s not “Auteurs” worthy then I’m sorry, but what a load of bullshit. the title of this site is unhealthily misleading. there is enough emphasis placed on the director of a film as the god or “artist” of the work already, we really don’t need an entire site full of this sort of notion and pretenses. the great films are always, always collaborative efforts.
/rant
anyway, my favorite line is probably “May the force be with you” as spoken by Han Solo. such a movie moment
“Do we really need a Star Wars thread at The Auteurs?”
“do we ? In my opinion, No we don’t .”
That’s what I’m getting at. No need. This is supposed to be a site of intelligent film-lovers; go to IMDb for that kind of talk. If people want to discuss favorite lines from a movie they love, let them be. There was a viciousness towards Star Wars because it’s a “non-arty” or “non-Auteursy” film (again, the sort of thinking stemmed the aforementioned connotation).
I was going to clarify this in my last post, but then I didn’t. Guess I should have. I was never defending or questioning Lucas’s status as an Autuer; the thought never even crossed my mind, honestly. If I appeared to express such, I apologize, it was not my intention.
You make a great point I hadn’t yet noticed, though: that this thread and those comments in question are quite dated. This fact is now duly noted.
And comparing Star Wars to Transformers (film wise anyway), them’s fightin’ words! But that’s another conversation ;)
For what it’s worth, I personally don’t distinguish “art” from “entertainment.” If I really wanted to, I could argue for hours on end why Star Wars is as much an artistic accomplishment as Citizen Kane (of course I don’t want to). For me, there isn’t “high” or “low” art, just good and bad.
However I do have a tidbit of criteria for what constitutes as “art.” I keep it pretty simple because art is such a meaningless word to begin with, but if something is being expressed in a legitimate and passionate fashion, then sure, it’s art. Now there is something to be said for accessibility and audience, and that’s where the “entertainment vs. art” dichotomy comes in, but eh, I can’t help but give the creators the benefit of the doubt.
I think you may have misinterpreted me in a few places, or I was unclear (the latter is most probable; message board discussions are not my strongpoint :P). My original comments were reactionary; I think I was pretty clearly against such “high” and “low” designation from the start, defending Star Wars’s place on the Auteurs despite it being a non “arty” film.
And as for art being a meaningless word, I only meant that there is no real, finite meaning. Everyone has their own personal definitions. So a better description would have been “personal.”
Your last paragraph puzzles me a bit, because I did indeed just say that I believe in good and bad art, so I’m not sure why you are pointing this out. Unless I’m reading this wrong? And I must correct you slightly: the discussion of whether or not Star Wars was good or bad never came up. The original posts in question did not express their opinion on the quality of the film, but that it was not worthy for discussion on a site such as The Auteurs. At least that is how I interpreted their text, and based my reactions. Anyway, this issue was resolved when you pointed out the date of those comments, posted during the website’s infancy.
I quite like the one that they went with. I must however gripe a bit that the inside of the cover sleeve is plain white. It should have been a wide shot of the Alpine landscape, or maybe that wonderful first person shot. Anything but plain white.
I would like a Blu-ray, but honestly the film has had plenty of Criterion releases already, and the DVD transfer is really quite good, so I can do without it. At least for a while longer.
Who is the BEST critic in the business right now? over 2 years ago
why, i am the the best critic
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When I say "A Perfect Film", What One Film Pops Into Your Head First? over 2 years ago
to kill a mockingbird came into my head and stayed there
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What Movie would you like to see the beatles in? over 2 years ago
i wish the Beatles were actually in Yellow Submarine. and dont bring up that ending scene
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Remake of The Beatle's Yellow Submarine (film) over 2 years ago
if this transpires i will go into a deep depression
what would be cool: take that Strawberry Fields animated film that never was and make it. let it revolutionize CG animated films like it was originally supposed to. how? hell if i know, just dont let Zemeckis near it
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Movies That Should Be In the Criterion Collection over 2 years ago
Apu Trilogy please
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Movies That Should Be In the Criterion Collection over 2 years ago
i would really love to see Cronenberg’s remake of “The Fly” in there, partly because it’s a fantastic film and arguably his definitive work, and partly because the dvd is out of print
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Movies That Should Be In the Criterion Collection over 2 years ago
Tron. it’s as important a film as any other
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Last movie you saw and rate it over 2 years ago
For All Mankind
5 stars. very moving
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THREE MOST FAVOURITE ALBUM COVERS over 2 years ago
this thread needs some real music
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Why is The Fantastic Mr. Fox is a failure? over 2 years ago
i guess i was lucky. it played at my normal theater, though only for a week or two
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(Temporary) Film database submission mechanism over 2 years ago
no, this actually isn’t in the database
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
United States
1980
124 Min (127 Min Special Edition)
Color
English
DIR Irvin Kershner
PROD Gary Kurtz, George Lucas, Rick McCallum (Special Edition)
SCR Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan, George Lucas (Story)
DP Peter Suschitzky, BSC
CAST Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Billy Dee Williams, Kenny Baker, Anthony Daniels, Frank Oz, Peter Mayhew, David Prowse, James Earl Jones, Alec Guinness
MUSIC John Williams
“Proof that a sequel can be as good as (or better than) its predecessor, The Empire Strikes Back is frequently considered the best of the original Star Wars trilogy. The 1980 film, which picks up a few years after the original movie, contains perhaps the most substantial plot developments of the three films, interweaving spiritual and romantic development and serving up a genuinely shocking cliffhanger. It also features more of the special effects that endeared Star Wars to many an audience member, further catering to its audience’s growing appetite for bigger, better effects. Dark and downbeat, Empire is at its core the most human of the trilogy, allowing its characters — generally two-dimensional in Star Wars — to flesh out to more convincing proportions. Part of this change may be due to Irvin Kershner’s directing the film; where George Lucas was a master with technology, he was not really an actor’s director, and the actors here seem noticeably more at ease. The film’s enormous success was proof that audiences were more than eager to see the Star Wars storyline continued in the years to come, something that still held true when the special edition of The Empire Strikes Back was released 17 years after the original version. Exhilarating and timeless, it remains one of the most compelling adventures ever brought to the screen. "
- allmovie
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MICHAEL JACKSON’S THRILLER
United States
1983
14 Min
Color
English
DIR John Landis
PROD George Folsey Jr.
SCR John Landis, Michael Jackson
DP Robert Paynter, BSC
CAST Michael Jackson, Ola Ray, Vincent Price
MUSIC Michael Jackson, Rod Temperton, Elmer Bernstein
_"Often referred to as the greatest music video ever, Thriller proved to have a profound effect on popular culture, and was named “a watershed moment for the [music] industry” for its unprecedented merging of filmmaking and music. Guinness World Records listed it in 2006 as the “most successful music video”, selling over 9 million units. In 2009, the video was inducted into the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress, the first music video to ever receive this honor.
Co-starring with Jackson was former Playboy centerfold Ola Ray. The video was choreographed by Michael Peters (who had worked with the singer on his prior hit “Beat It”), with Michael Jackson. The video also contains incidental music by film music composer Elmer Bernstein, who had previously also worked with Landis on An American Werewolf in London. The video (like the song) contains a spoken word performance by horror film veteran Vincent Price. Rick Baker assisted in prosthetics and makeup for the production. The red jacket that Jackson wore was designed by John Landis’ wife Deborah Landis to make him appear more “virile.”_
- wikipedia
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(Temporary) Film database submission mechanism over 2 years ago
i just read the part about posting only the director and stills… oops :(
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MEN IN BLACK (1997)
Barry Sonnenfield
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SPIDER-MAN 2 (2004)
Sam Raimi
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LETHAL WEAPON (1987)
Richard Donner
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@ Greg X good call on Huston’s Moby Dick
FANTASIA 2000 (1999)
various directors, produced by Roy E. Disney and Donald W. Ernst
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SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW (2004)
directed by Kerry Conran
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SUPERMAN (1978)
directed by Richard Donner
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Best film of the 80's? over 2 years ago
pssshhh you guys and your “arty” films
Lethal Weapon
The Dark Crystal
The Empire Strikes Back
Ghostbusters
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
what’s with all this Star Wars hate? if there’s some notion that it’s not “Auteurs” worthy then I’m sorry, but what a load of bullshit. the title of this site is unhealthily misleading. there is enough emphasis placed on the director of a film as the god or “artist” of the work already, we really don’t need an entire site full of this sort of notion and pretenses. the great films are always, always collaborative efforts.
/rant
anyway, my favorite line is probably “May the force be with you” as spoken by Han Solo. such a movie moment
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
@ Mike Spence
I never said anything about pretentiousness. I’m merely talking about the unhealthy connotations that the word “auteur” has.
anyway, “You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.” is another favorite.
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
@ Mike
“no. sorry, no.”
“Lock thread please.”
“Do we really need a Star Wars thread at The Auteurs?”
“do we ? In my opinion, No we don’t .”
That’s what I’m getting at. No need. This is supposed to be a site of intelligent film-lovers; go to IMDb for that kind of talk. If people want to discuss favorite lines from a movie they love, let them be. There was a viciousness towards Star Wars because it’s a “non-arty” or “non-Auteursy” film (again, the sort of thinking stemmed the aforementioned connotation).
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
I was going to clarify this in my last post, but then I didn’t. Guess I should have. I was never defending or questioning Lucas’s status as an Autuer; the thought never even crossed my mind, honestly. If I appeared to express such, I apologize, it was not my intention.
You make a great point I hadn’t yet noticed, though: that this thread and those comments in question are quite dated. This fact is now duly noted.
And comparing Star Wars to Transformers (film wise anyway), them’s fightin’ words! But that’s another conversation ;)
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
For what it’s worth, I personally don’t distinguish “art” from “entertainment.” If I really wanted to, I could argue for hours on end why Star Wars is as much an artistic accomplishment as Citizen Kane (of course I don’t want to). For me, there isn’t “high” or “low” art, just good and bad.
However I do have a tidbit of criteria for what constitutes as “art.” I keep it pretty simple because art is such a meaningless word to begin with, but if something is being expressed in a legitimate and passionate fashion, then sure, it’s art. Now there is something to be said for accessibility and audience, and that’s where the “entertainment vs. art” dichotomy comes in, but eh, I can’t help but give the creators the benefit of the doubt.
Again, that’s just me.
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
I think you may have misinterpreted me in a few places, or I was unclear (the latter is most probable; message board discussions are not my strongpoint :P). My original comments were reactionary; I think I was pretty clearly against such “high” and “low” designation from the start, defending Star Wars’s place on the Auteurs despite it being a non “arty” film.
And as for art being a meaningless word, I only meant that there is no real, finite meaning. Everyone has their own personal definitions. So a better description would have been “personal.”
Your last paragraph puzzles me a bit, because I did indeed just say that I believe in good and bad art, so I’m not sure why you are pointing this out. Unless I’m reading this wrong? And I must correct you slightly: the discussion of whether or not Star Wars was good or bad never came up. The original posts in question did not express their opinion on the quality of the film, but that it was not worthy for discussion on a site such as The Auteurs. At least that is how I interpreted their text, and based my reactions. Anyway, this issue was resolved when you pointed out the date of those comments, posted during the website’s infancy.
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in a galaxy far, far away... - Star Wars Quotations over 2 years ago
):
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Artsy-Fartsy over 2 years ago
so. “fartsy” is ok?
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Cover? over 2 years ago
I quite like the one that they went with. I must however gripe a bit that the inside of the cover sleeve is plain white. It should have been a wide shot of the Alpine landscape, or maybe that wonderful first person shot. Anything but plain white.
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When is Criterion going to give Brazil a Blu Ray Treatment? over 2 years ago
lol @ Sunday
I would like a Blu-ray, but honestly the film has had plenty of Criterion releases already, and the DVD transfer is really quite good, so I can do without it. At least for a while longer.
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