Hi there,
I thought I would share these two articles from an excellent but short-lived British movie mag of the early 90s called “Movie Collector”. You can tell their age because they’re talking about Laserdiscs! :P The first is about the themes running through the loose trilogy that consists of “Once Upon a Time in the West”, “Duck, You Sucker” and “Once Upon a Time in America”. The second explores the dream theory of …America which is referred to in this forum: http://mubi.com/topics/7507
I’m sorry, my scanner is not the best but if you zoom in you should be able to make sense of these:-
Okay, I am trying to add something here and it’s screwing up when I try and post; you only got the last sentence up above, and it should be in quotation marks. It’s from the first of the two articles I linked to above. I don’t think it follows that just because Leone has been dead and buried for 20 years we can assume this new version of his movie bears no relation to his intentions. As I was saying, Leone himself personally supervised an even longer cut of the film than the new 269 minute re-edit we have been promised in the near future, clocking in at 5 hours!
Yes, Jason, that issue about the commercial breaks had occurred to me also, as has something else which would affect the running time: framerate. I’m guessing these Italian and German broadcasts would have been in the PAL format, running at 25 frames per second – one frame per second faster than the standard film projection rate of 24 frames per second. Obviously, I have no idea whether the writer of this article compensated for this discrepancy, but if he didn’t, when you adjust the running time back to 24 fps, even allowing for the generous 50 minutes of commercials you suggest, the time creeps back up to 260 minutes. Hopefully, therefore, this new cut will be similar or identical to the version shown on European television :)
Look on the bright side. I see a couple of reasons to be cheerful: a) there’s no way this can be as bad as the Nicholas Cage remake, and b) Joan Collins was at one time attached to this project but dropped out :)
You’re spot on! Drat, and I had clues lined up and everything :( I was gonna say this director was assistant to Orson Welles and it was all downhill thereafter :P Well done!
01) The Conversation (Francis Ford Coppola)
02) A Matter of Life & Death (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger)
03) Le Boucher (Claude Chabrol)
04) The Conformist (Bernardo Bertolucci)
05) Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock)
06) Rosemary’s Baby (Roman Polanski)
07) Le Samouraï (Jean-Pierre Melville)
08) The Seventh Seal (Ingmar Bergman)
09) The Long Goodbye (Robert Altman)
10) Sunrise (F.W. Murnau)
11) Les Enfants du Paradis (Marcel Carné)
12) The Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah)
13) Days and Nights in the Forest (Satyajit Ray)
14) Sweet Smell of Success (Alexander Mackendrick)
15) Once Upon a Time in America (Sergio Leone)
16) Profondo Rosso (Dario Argento)
17) Partie de Campagne (Jean Renoir)
18) To Be or Not To Be (Ernst Lubitsch)
19) Blade Runner (Ridley Scott)
20) Throne of Blood (Akira Kurosawa)
New Cut Of Sergio Leone’s ‘Once Upon A Time In America’ On The Way With 40 More Minutes about 2 years ago
Hi there,
I thought I would share these two articles from an excellent but short-lived British movie mag of the early 90s called “Movie Collector”. You can tell their age because they’re talking about Laserdiscs! :P The first is about the themes running through the loose trilogy that consists of “Once Upon a Time in the West”, “Duck, You Sucker” and “Once Upon a Time in America”. The second explores the dream theory of …America which is referred to in this forum: http://mubi.com/topics/7507
I’m sorry, my scanner is not the best but if you zoom in you should be able to make sense of these:-
http://i52.tinypic.com/ip34b8.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/20z7er5.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/29v14qc.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/dpdeop.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2wf4xud.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/25turs3.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/v3ej5j.jpg
Enjoy! :)
Go to Comment
New Cut Of Sergio Leone’s ‘Once Upon A Time In America’ On The Way With 40 More Minutes about 2 years ago
…although a five-hour version edited by Leone including cut scenes with Louise Fletcher has been seen on German and Italian television.
Go to Comment
New Cut Of Sergio Leone’s ‘Once Upon A Time In America’ On The Way With 40 More Minutes about 2 years ago
Okay, I am trying to add something here and it’s screwing up when I try and post; you only got the last sentence up above, and it should be in quotation marks. It’s from the first of the two articles I linked to above. I don’t think it follows that just because Leone has been dead and buried for 20 years we can assume this new version of his movie bears no relation to his intentions. As I was saying, Leone himself personally supervised an even longer cut of the film than the new 269 minute re-edit we have been promised in the near future, clocking in at 5 hours!
Go to Comment
New Cut Of Sergio Leone’s ‘Once Upon A Time In America’ On The Way With 40 More Minutes about 2 years ago
Yes, Jason, that issue about the commercial breaks had occurred to me also, as has something else which would affect the running time: framerate. I’m guessing these Italian and German broadcasts would have been in the PAL format, running at 25 frames per second – one frame per second faster than the standard film projection rate of 24 frames per second. Obviously, I have no idea whether the writer of this article compensated for this discrepancy, but if he didn’t, when you adjust the running time back to 24 fps, even allowing for the generous 50 minutes of commercials you suggest, the time creeps back up to 260 minutes. Hopefully, therefore, this new cut will be similar or identical to the version shown on European television :)
Go to Comment
The Wicker Tree about 2 years ago
Look on the bright side. I see a couple of reasons to be cheerful: a) there’s no way this can be as bad as the Nicholas Cage remake, and b) Joan Collins was at one time attached to this project but dropped out :)
Go to Comment
SEX SELLS? about 2 years ago
It’s Madeline Smith and the late great Ingrid Pitt in The Vampire Lovers, dir. Roy Ward Baker, 1970 :)
Go to Comment
SEX SELLS? about 2 years ago
Try this one:
Go to Comment
SEX SELLS? about 2 years ago
You’re spot on! Drat, and I had clues lined up and everything :( I was gonna say this director was assistant to Orson Welles and it was all downhill thereafter :P Well done!
Go to Comment
Post a song you are currently listening to about 2 years ago
Go to Comment
SEX SELLS? about 2 years ago
Mind if I cut in? I chose this one mainly because the title of the movie in question fits this thread like a glove :P
Go to Comment
What's the best live album of all time? almost 2 years ago
Great choices so far. Here’s some more goodies:
Go to Comment
What's the best live album of all time? almost 2 years ago
Yeah, I don’t get the white bores dig either. If you’ve got some more cosmopolitan bores, let’s have them! :P
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum User's Top 20 Movie List, Curated by DIB over 1 year ago
01) The Conversation (Francis Ford Coppola)
02) A Matter of Life & Death (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger)
03) Le Boucher (Claude Chabrol)
04) The Conformist (Bernardo Bertolucci)
05) Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock)
06) Rosemary’s Baby (Roman Polanski)
07) Le Samouraï (Jean-Pierre Melville)
08) The Seventh Seal (Ingmar Bergman)
09) The Long Goodbye (Robert Altman)
10) Sunrise (F.W. Murnau)
11) Les Enfants du Paradis (Marcel Carné)
12) The Wild Bunch (Sam Peckinpah)
13) Days and Nights in the Forest (Satyajit Ray)
14) Sweet Smell of Success (Alexander Mackendrick)
15) Once Upon a Time in America (Sergio Leone)
16) Profondo Rosso (Dario Argento)
17) Partie de Campagne (Jean Renoir)
18) To Be or Not To Be (Ernst Lubitsch)
19) Blade Runner (Ridley Scott)
20) Throne of Blood (Akira Kurosawa)
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 Night of the Hunter
-1 Solaris
-1 The Holy Mountain
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 Meet Me in St. Louis
-1 City of God
-1 Donnie Darko
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 The Gospel According to St. Matthew
-1 Salo: or, 120 Days of Sodom
-1 Zabriskie Point
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 Unfaithfully Yours
-1 The Party
-1 The House with Laughing Windows
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
The Elephant Man +2
Hawks & Sparrows -1
Sweet Movie -1
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
3 Women +2
Showgirls -1
Possession -1
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes
-1 Possession
-1 Kill Bill Vol.1
Go to Comment
The MUBI Forum Users' Top 20 List: Longform List and Voting Series over 1 year ago
+2 Celine & Julie Go Boating
-1 Videodrome
-1 Ginger Snaps
Go to Comment
Movie-Related GIFs Thread...Or Whatever GIFs You Want 12 months ago
Dirty Harry meets Le Ballon Rouge :p
Go to Comment