Before Pasolini was murdered, he was said to follow Salo with two more films creating a complimentary threesome to his Trilogy of Life called obviously the Trilogy of Death. Obviously these did not get made, and in searching for more information on his idea I cannot seem to find anything regarding what those two parts were to be. Perhaps they weren’t yet realized, or maybe they just went forever unsaid. What do you think would have made up the two following installments in the Trilogy of Death?
Okay, well all the misconceptions aside, and with St. Paul aside as well, if Pasolini had intended to make a Trilogy of Death starting with Salo, what do you think he should have adapted for the subsequent two parts?
There are other films to explore this kind of indirect rampage, albeit they are American but they are pretty deep. Joel Schumacher’s Falling Down (1993) and Stuart Gordon’s adaptation of David Mamet’s play Edmond (2005).
What kind of film would you like to see? Who would you like to see direct it, write it, produce it, star in it, score it, edit it…etc. What would you like to see, even if it is now impossible due to the dead autuers and artists being dead or due to whatever being just impossible. What would you consider to be your dream film?
When I was little, Jurassic Park and Star Wars. Though, I fell away from cinematic interest until a few years later, into my early teens when I saw such films like “Platoon”, “Falling Down”, “Taxi Driver” and many others…though, if I had to pick one film that keeps me involved with any interest in cinema, it would have to be Paul Schrader’s “Light Sleeper.”
Okay, my turn. I would’ve liked to see what Runaway Train would’ve been like had Kurosawa helmed it himself in the US. Wonder if he would’ve come to the same conclusion Kitano had after making Brother…
I also would’ve liked to see Schrader’s unproduced screenplays, such as Eight Scenes From the Life of Hank Williams and his adaptation Investigation (based on Ellio Petri’s Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion), as well as the screenplays by the Wachowski Brothers, mainly Carnivore (one of the best scripts I’ve ever read). Come to think of it, I wonder what Christopher Nolan’s Mr. Hughes would’ve been like compared to The Aviator…
And I do think John Woo’s Face/Off would’ve been much more interesting if it were directed by David Cronenberg.
Maybe these aren’t original dream films but I’ll just put them out there to start.
A Paul Schrader adaptation of something by Philip K. Dick, like VALIS or Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said. I think any of Dick’s work would be great for Paul to adapt and direct. Starring Jack Nicholson, since he has yet to work with him.
A Michael Mann adaptation of something by James Ellroy, most likely any of his Underground USA trilogy. Either Mann or Oliver Stone.
If Pasolini had lived into the 1980s or 1990s, it’d be interesting to see his take on the work of, say, Bret Easton Ellis. Much like he did with his many adaptations, transplanting it in Italy, maybe even a different time (perhaps during the Roman Empire?) as he usually had done.
If Mishima had not killed himself, it would’ve been very interesting to see if he could’ve began his own run of films.
My greatest love. She’d be totally worth it, though we’d probably rewrite a lot of things…heh heh, but really yes, I think the whole string of biographical pictures in the last few years have been mere milking of celebrity and notoriety of such people serving as the subject of them. We need to be original or at least more creative (not necessarily having absurdly extreme artistic license!) with films about real people, like Schrader was with Mishima. I must say that film looms with greatness even over efforts like Scorsese’s The Aviator and Van Sant’s Milk, just because of how it is told.
Willem Dafoe.
Takeshi Kitano.
David Bowie.
James Woods.
Music by Nine Inch Nails or Juno Reactor.
Winona Ryder, Ellen Page or Nastassja Kinski.
Just about anything that has Paul Schrader or Pier Paolo Pasolini credited somewhere.
I’ve delved extensively into Ozu, almost completely into Schrader (who is my favorite filmmaker) yet unfortunately only two films of Bresson’s (Pickpocket and Mouchette) so I am still learning exactly what makes a transcendental film. I really need his book on the whole subject.
Oldboy (2003) Dir. Park Chan-Woo, 4/5 on MUBI’s scale.
I first saw Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance (2002) and gave it 3/5 because, although it was well done and creative, I felt that style did not improve upon the story. However, after watching Oldboy, I’m wondering if there’s something much deeper there that I did not pick up on, especially regarding the notions of vengeance.
Steven Spielberg
Judd Apatow
Ron Howard
Adam Sandler
Tom Hanks
Jonah Hill
Russell Brand
Jason Siegel
Robert Pattinson
Just about anything that’s been aimed at deceiving and misleading my generation (I am 19 going on 20 and quite disgusted with many of my contemporaries and their lack of sense of cinema).
Alex, if you count David Fincher, then yes, at least one direct influence. However, I think Jaws may be his only film worth watching for that said effect.
But other than that, I’m afraid he’s nothing more than a marketing tool with very little enlightenment and too much money to play with and too high of notoriety to be esteemed with, especially with the quality of his films. To think that he believes the outer universe would be benefitted by sending a man who’d want to open up a McDonald’s on another planet. This is not genius, at least not a lasting genius, for my taste at least. Sure, I was impressed with Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones as a kid, but in growing up my sensibilities expanded, and I saw his films as they were intended to be, commercial.
People say they have a humanism, but I disagree. They lack sense, they reject exploration and enlightenment for the sake of approval, his characters are cut outs of characters that were more genuine when used by his predecessors, they play on preconceived expectations and don’t really offer anything new or original. Nothing truly groundbreaking or beneficial either. No improvement, garbage in, garbage out, cuddling to the status quo of whoever backs him and his projects. He has talent, sure, but to what extent he uses it, merely for show. That’s my opinion.
And as for Adam Sandler, I’ve yet to see Punch Drunk Love, but all the while, everything else he’s been in just might overshadow that anyway. Though, I’ll have to see to know for sure.
Paul Schrader (Dir. Light Sleeper) despises him on the Close Encounters deal because of his narrow-minded Hollywood approach to his original spiritually based “Kingdom Come”. Lars von Trier (Dir. Antichrist) declined to direct a film for him, mostly due to his fear of flying but due also to his own disgust towards Hollywood. Godard (Dir. Pierrot le fou) has openly criticized his type of filmmaking for being inauthentic and merely for profit. John Ford (Dir. The Searchers) cursed him out of his office. Sure, maybe guys like Eastwood and Scorsese enjoy his support, but I can’t speak for them nor for everyone else on my list. I’m sure if Pasolini were still alive he’d probably not have any nice words about his filmmaking.
But personally, I don’t hate HIM. Just his films. I don’t agree with them, I find it hard to enjoy them, and maybe it might be because I’m a tight-ass about their degrees of substantiality but if it weren’t for that I’m afraid I’d not be as enlightened about other things as I currently am. I grew up with them and I matured, in my opinion I outgrew them. That’s just how I view it. I find it hard to agree with Spielberg’s mindset through his work because I sense he doesn’t have much of one to hold water with.
Michael Mann was going to make a biographical picture of Enzo Ferrari in the mid 1990s with Robert DeNiro as Ferrari. Certainly to be a stylish film if it were ever made.
What do you guys think about Zeitgeist? about 3 years ago
I’ll just say this, if it weren’t for this film I’d most likely be going through life in ignorance of myself and forever lost. It helped me.
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PASOLINI'S TRILOGY OF DEATH about 3 years ago
Before Pasolini was murdered, he was said to follow Salo with two more films creating a complimentary threesome to his Trilogy of Life called obviously the Trilogy of Death. Obviously these did not get made, and in searching for more information on his idea I cannot seem to find anything regarding what those two parts were to be. Perhaps they weren’t yet realized, or maybe they just went forever unsaid. What do you think would have made up the two following installments in the Trilogy of Death?
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PASOLINI'S TRILOGY OF DEATH about 3 years ago
Okay, well all the misconceptions aside, and with St. Paul aside as well, if Pasolini had intended to make a Trilogy of Death starting with Salo, what do you think he should have adapted for the subsequent two parts?
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PASOLINI'S TRILOGY OF DEATH about 3 years ago
Let me rephrase that: what do you think would have made good adaptations for him to make?
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What "Vengeance" in which the title is referring? almost 3 years ago
There are other films to explore this kind of indirect rampage, albeit they are American but they are pretty deep. Joel Schumacher’s Falling Down (1993) and Stuart Gordon’s adaptation of David Mamet’s play Edmond (2005).
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
What kind of film would you like to see? Who would you like to see direct it, write it, produce it, star in it, score it, edit it…etc. What would you like to see, even if it is now impossible due to the dead autuers and artists being dead or due to whatever being just impossible. What would you consider to be your dream film?
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What is the one movie, if any in particular, that sparked your interest in film? almost 3 years ago
When I was little, Jurassic Park and Star Wars. Though, I fell away from cinematic interest until a few years later, into my early teens when I saw such films like “Platoon”, “Falling Down”, “Taxi Driver” and many others…though, if I had to pick one film that keeps me involved with any interest in cinema, it would have to be Paul Schrader’s “Light Sleeper.”
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
@NEH
I know exactly what you mean.
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
Okay, my turn. I would’ve liked to see what Runaway Train would’ve been like had Kurosawa helmed it himself in the US. Wonder if he would’ve come to the same conclusion Kitano had after making Brother…
I also would’ve liked to see Schrader’s unproduced screenplays, such as Eight Scenes From the Life of Hank Williams and his adaptation Investigation (based on Ellio Petri’s Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion), as well as the screenplays by the Wachowski Brothers, mainly Carnivore (one of the best scripts I’ve ever read). Come to think of it, I wonder what Christopher Nolan’s Mr. Hughes would’ve been like compared to The Aviator…
And I do think John Woo’s Face/Off would’ve been much more interesting if it were directed by David Cronenberg.
Maybe these aren’t original dream films but I’ll just put them out there to start.
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
And Pasolini’s unproduced idea for juxtaposing the story of St. Paul in New York.
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
That’s not a bad idea Malick, sounds very worthwhile to be honest.
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What is your favorite "pair" of people who work in films? almost 3 years ago
Paul Schrader / Willem Dafoe
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
Okay, some original one offs…
A Paul Schrader adaptation of something by Philip K. Dick, like VALIS or Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said. I think any of Dick’s work would be great for Paul to adapt and direct. Starring Jack Nicholson, since he has yet to work with him.
A Michael Mann adaptation of something by James Ellroy, most likely any of his Underground USA trilogy. Either Mann or Oliver Stone.
If Pasolini had lived into the 1980s or 1990s, it’d be interesting to see his take on the work of, say, Bret Easton Ellis. Much like he did with his many adaptations, transplanting it in Italy, maybe even a different time (perhaps during the Roman Empire?) as he usually had done.
If Mishima had not killed himself, it would’ve been very interesting to see if he could’ve began his own run of films.
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Last movie you saw and rate it almost 3 years ago
Romeo is Bleeding (Peter Medak, 1994) – 4/5 stars on Mubi’s scale
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If you could make a film about one person, who would it be - almost 3 years ago
My greatest love. She’d be totally worth it, though we’d probably rewrite a lot of things…heh heh, but really yes, I think the whole string of biographical pictures in the last few years have been mere milking of celebrity and notoriety of such people serving as the subject of them. We need to be original or at least more creative (not necessarily having absurdly extreme artistic license!) with films about real people, like Schrader was with Mishima. I must say that film looms with greatness even over efforts like Scorsese’s The Aviator and Van Sant’s Milk, just because of how it is told.
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I will watch anything that has ___ almost 3 years ago
Willem Dafoe.
Takeshi Kitano.
David Bowie.
James Woods.
Music by Nine Inch Nails or Juno Reactor.
Winona Ryder, Ellen Page or Nastassja Kinski.
Just about anything that has Paul Schrader or Pier Paolo Pasolini credited somewhere.
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Are You a Bresson, Ozu, Paul Schrader Fan? almost 3 years ago
I’ve delved extensively into Ozu, almost completely into Schrader (who is my favorite filmmaker) yet unfortunately only two films of Bresson’s (Pickpocket and Mouchette) so I am still learning exactly what makes a transcendental film. I really need his book on the whole subject.
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Are You a Bresson, Ozu, Paul Schrader Fan? almost 3 years ago
@Follow My Film
Oh wow, that’s amazing!
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Last movie you saw and rate it almost 3 years ago
Oldboy (2003) Dir. Park Chan-Woo, 4/5 on MUBI’s scale.
I first saw Sympathy For Mr. Vengeance (2002) and gave it 3/5 because, although it was well done and creative, I felt that style did not improve upon the story. However, after watching Oldboy, I’m wondering if there’s something much deeper there that I did not pick up on, especially regarding the notions of vengeance.
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Movies you hated that everyone else loves almost 3 years ago
Things by and/or involving:
Steven Spielberg
Judd Apatow
Ron Howard
Adam Sandler
Tom Hanks
Jonah Hill
Russell Brand
Jason Siegel
Robert Pattinson
Just about anything that’s been aimed at deceiving and misleading my generation (I am 19 going on 20 and quite disgusted with many of my contemporaries and their lack of sense of cinema).
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Post a song you are currently listening to almost 3 years ago
The Perfect Kiss by New Order, the complete 8 minutes + version.
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Movies you hated that everyone else loves almost 3 years ago
Alex, if you count David Fincher, then yes, at least one direct influence. However, I think Jaws may be his only film worth watching for that said effect.
But other than that, I’m afraid he’s nothing more than a marketing tool with very little enlightenment and too much money to play with and too high of notoriety to be esteemed with, especially with the quality of his films. To think that he believes the outer universe would be benefitted by sending a man who’d want to open up a McDonald’s on another planet. This is not genius, at least not a lasting genius, for my taste at least. Sure, I was impressed with Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones as a kid, but in growing up my sensibilities expanded, and I saw his films as they were intended to be, commercial.
People say they have a humanism, but I disagree. They lack sense, they reject exploration and enlightenment for the sake of approval, his characters are cut outs of characters that were more genuine when used by his predecessors, they play on preconceived expectations and don’t really offer anything new or original. Nothing truly groundbreaking or beneficial either. No improvement, garbage in, garbage out, cuddling to the status quo of whoever backs him and his projects. He has talent, sure, but to what extent he uses it, merely for show. That’s my opinion.
And as for Adam Sandler, I’ve yet to see Punch Drunk Love, but all the while, everything else he’s been in just might overshadow that anyway. Though, I’ll have to see to know for sure.
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Movies you hated that everyone else loves almost 3 years ago
Paul Schrader (Dir. Light Sleeper) despises him on the Close Encounters deal because of his narrow-minded Hollywood approach to his original spiritually based “Kingdom Come”. Lars von Trier (Dir. Antichrist) declined to direct a film for him, mostly due to his fear of flying but due also to his own disgust towards Hollywood. Godard (Dir. Pierrot le fou) has openly criticized his type of filmmaking for being inauthentic and merely for profit. John Ford (Dir. The Searchers) cursed him out of his office. Sure, maybe guys like Eastwood and Scorsese enjoy his support, but I can’t speak for them nor for everyone else on my list. I’m sure if Pasolini were still alive he’d probably not have any nice words about his filmmaking.
But personally, I don’t hate HIM. Just his films. I don’t agree with them, I find it hard to enjoy them, and maybe it might be because I’m a tight-ass about their degrees of substantiality but if it weren’t for that I’m afraid I’d not be as enlightened about other things as I currently am. I grew up with them and I matured, in my opinion I outgrew them. That’s just how I view it. I find it hard to agree with Spielberg’s mindset through his work because I sense he doesn’t have much of one to hold water with.
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3 Great Actors You'd Definitely Hangout With. almost 3 years ago
James Woods
Al Pacino
Willem Dafoe
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Meaningless Thread (Absmurdity) almost 3 years ago
Hey, who dropped this turd in my drink?
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Meaningless Thread (Absmurdity) almost 3 years ago
I should’ve never played the game, I should’ve fucked old-what’s-her-name…doo doo doo doo doo dooo
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DREAM FILMS almost 3 years ago
Michael Mann was going to make a biographical picture of Enzo Ferrari in the mid 1990s with Robert DeNiro as Ferrari. Certainly to be a stylish film if it were ever made.
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Meaningless Thread (Absmurdity) almost 3 years ago
As soon as I shove this hot poker up my ass, I’m going to chop my dick off!
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stolen movies? almost 3 years ago
I lent a copy of Blue Velvet to a contemporary, then had to break into his apartment and steal it back when he decided to not return it.
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The best American films set in other countries. almost 3 years ago
I agree on Mishima. That and maybe Under the Volcano, directed by John Huston, set in Mexico, lead played by Albert Finney.
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