I’ve noticed a great divide on Mubi with Inception, majority are appreciating Inception but others to a varied degree have had a negative reaction. I’m putting it forward do you think you would’ve had as great a negative reaction, if it wasn’t as popular as it was?
The reason I bring this up, is that for once, we have a big budget studio effort which has some of the trappings which go along with that, however, it bares elements and concepts seen in other great cinema of the past along with it’s own originality and thoughtprovoking nature. Some Mubi community members I even observed having an aversion to Inception before it was even released.
To make it clear I wasn’t expecting a clear yeah my answer would be different guys.
Yeah for the record ARI I did enjoy Inception, that does not mean I’m Edit (correction) not interested in what you guys think though. I would think that it’s obvious from my question that I enjoyed it, not trying to hide a bias. Could we keep it calm though?
I’m not “posing” anything. The fact is, Inception is for better or worse, a big budget so called "blockbuster film That much we can all agree on yeah?
Inception is obviously reaching to be more than that, perhaps we can agree on that too? Or am I stretching? I guess what I’m wondering is why are people so quick to say statements like, Inception blows. When in the end, that even if they don’t agree that Nolan has achieved much of anything, that the very fact that we have a blockbuster, that is more than transformers, bodes well for the industry.
Yeah… I’m a shill Roscoe… I see you managed to ignore all the favourite films I’ve chosen… I just happened to choose that as my first rating that’s all.
ARI, I enjoyed the musings of the nature of ideas, subconcious “demons” played out on screen brought up various things within me, my own dreamscapes, lots of things in it perhaps were more a stepping board for my own thoughts itself but in the end, I didn’t feel like my IQ had dropped like after watching revenge of the fallen did.
Edit/ Roger, and I said there was no flaws in the film where?!?
Quite honestly, everyone else here has conducted themselves well. You have just been a negative nanny. I’m not a shill, but you keep believing that sure. So just because I’m new to Mubi, and I rated Inception as my first film, my opinions are invalid? What a crock. The moment you posted I knew that you were going to be a prick.
Inception is a shitty movie, plain and simple.
“’All truth is simple, is that not a compound lie?”
excuse but no, you accused me of being a shill. You didn’t just ask and I’m not going to take that. You don’t just “ask” someone if they’ve come onto a site under false pretense.
Roscoe, even though I have awarded Inception 5 stars I DONT think it is a earth shatteringly flawless, genre defining film. You obviously are not interested in actually having any real discussion on it, hearing my thoughts or actually making a contribution other than it’s a shitty movie, plain and simple and elaborating on that in any meaningful way.
… Yes but what of your your very clear, concise opinion here of it’s a shitty film, plain and simple. Couldn’t be bothered? decided it’d be better to be confrontational with me and accuse me of being a shill? and continue to.
Oh so when you said “So, getting back to that masterpiece of taste and genius, that genre shattering masterwork INCEPTION, which Paul gives 5 stars to:” You WEREN’T actually prejudging my thoughts? My 5 star rating is actually totally independent of that statement. Your just totally at random, giving Inception totally unattainable traits…
I actually know someone who has an aversion to films and media when they gain popular recognition from the masses, he is even consciously aware of it. So I am NOT without basis for this. I didn’t come here to rattle a cage.
It seems to be lost on you that you offended me personally when you accused me of being a shill, not that you said Inception was a shitty movie. That you further just joked after basically saying I was here for no other reason to spruik Inception had gall.
and decides to simply ask if your a shill… how condescending… I was asking peoples thoughts on a lower popularity, not stating that as a fact it was a link… ffs, you obviously don’t, that’s fine, but I know someone who does have a link between his interests and the masses at large. It’s a barrier for him if the masses put loads of praise on something.
I choose this as my first topic, as I was interested in this, I had no idea that I was going to be faced, with someone so jaded as to think I was being paid to be here.
It’s also filled with venomous people, filled with negativity, which I see your discussions are filled with. Do you enjoy making little children cry at birthday parties aswell as coming on the interwebs and belittling other peoples opinions of films?
Why is there such negativity around Inception on Mubi? I really don’t understand. Even if you didn’t like like it surely it can be appreciate a blockbuster being something more for once. In the end there wasn’t even that many visual effect shots in Inception, that’s pretty amazing. think of Return of the King being in the thousands and other big films, with astronomical budgets greater than Inception, with no where near the thoughtfulness that Nolan has attempted.
It’s not arthouse, it’s not strenuously cerebral, but it isn’t trying to be, it was never attempting to be. It is a extremely well crafted, tight thriller with themes of loss, redemption, deception, subconscious, dreamscapes, the nature of ideas, dreams and our relation to them. I for one will be happy to see Inception succeed, as it sends a message to the studio system that Christopher Nolan perhaps is onto something. You can make money from serious filmmaking.
What’s the point of defending something when I don’t even agree with what is thought I think to begin with. I don’t think it’s a flawless film. I don’t believe Inception is near perfection to begin with, no freaking film is. I don’t think it’s beyond reproach. I didn’t come here to argue, I didnt come here to attack, and I didnt come here to be attacked. I certainly didn’t expect to be met with the same behaviour I’ve witnessed on the forums of gamers.
Your post doesn’t deserve a reply. Just like Roscoe
I’m not sure if my comment is even aimed at you Matt. Are you one of the people that are saying that everyone who has enjoyed Inception is mentally inept or lacks film experience or even brain functionality?
See here’s the thing, I too enjoy Primer, I agree, it’s a much more thoughtful and complex film but why can’t Inception be enjoyed aswell, for different reasons for what it is? There’s even more complex films than Primer out there… That doesn’t invalidate Primer for me either.
Thanks for the actual welcomes. Lets make it clear, I didn’t come out thinking best film ever, my entire outlook on life has changed, films have been changed forever and ever. I also however did not come out thinking, wow, Nolan has become a hack, there was no depth, or meaningfulness in that whatsoever, that was some of my life I want back wasted, can I have it back please? I hate the film industry. Both mentalities are seemingly out of control alittle.
Liamallen I also think it’s fair to ask that question of Inception, as even though my philosophical mind was triggered, I didn’t come out like I coulld write a huge spread on a blog about it. Yes the film was based around the idea of pragmatism. Yes It visually called into question the nature of our dreams and our relationship to them. The nature of our subconcious, the creative process of our dreams, the possible manipulation of that. Could I write an essay on it? Probably not. I’m saying why does it matter. For once we have a excellent mainstream film, smart, well crafted and tight. Combining 2 genre’s which we rarely see together and probably will again, a scifi and the caper. At the very least it isn’t worth the venomous negativity of some, sure, it doesn’t deserve greatest film ever made either, their equally as guilty. One is not better than the other though.
Talor, the reason why the third level is so much more heavy in terms of gunplay and soldiering is explained in the plot. Fischer in the past has recieved personal training to combat extraction, and the deeper they go, the harder his subconscious is going to push back, they were already caught offguard when they entered the first layer.
saw Blade Runner when I was 10. Though my interest in film also stemmed from another direction aswell as the wonder from Blade Runner soon after, that of film scores at that time when I came involved in music.
I think Silent Hill is a actually a decently made film, an ok cast, great physical effects, some seem like they’re cg but are actually physical. Some great sets and some brillainty loyally constructed things from the games, even camera movements. Quite honestly I don’t usually go for horror films, and Silent Hill is the only one which I liked in recent times. Anymore, not even close.
I respectfully disagree with all that. While some of those points actually do have weight and some I do think myself aswell, It does all have an air of cynic to it all. They don’t have enough weight to to peg Silent Hill as a complete miss. It’s still a decent film and the visuals are still fantastic, as a lot of it is a pairing of cg and physical, most even being physical, which at the time, everyone was going crazy for CG, which was great that they went against the mold.
No film is flawless, yeah they are all valid criticism’s, but if you look close enough at any film, you will find them. I’m new here, but I’m seeing many, many people here who are cherry picking.
I have no problem sharing criticism, BUT people are forgetting the sharing part. People are forcing their opinions it seems to me. This whole this is the truth, this film is just not that great, the critics, the populous, the media are wrong, it’s that simple mentality everyone is wrong which is around here, is just bizarre. Lots of people are living in a bubble.
I watch films all the time I haven’t seen before @Welshy you don’t know a thing about my interest in film, none of you do, and nice work just flat out saying I need to learn more. I think I should just throw it right back at you and say how about you learn some respect. The point of mine as fallacy is bullshit. Your opinion is your own, nothing more, that is MY criticism of the mubi community at large, since we’re freely criticising, and it didn’t take me long at all to realise that trend. I got no problem with bucking against the trend, in fact I’m like that with a lot of my interests, but cherry picking, and unfairly bucking against it, is not cool at all.
Even with the issue raised of sentimentality in Shawshank is debateable, the atmosphere of the prison, especially through the Thomas Newman score is utterly harrowing for majority of the score coupled with the minimal sound design. It’s cherry picking and other films on here, other foreign and arthouse films have not gotten as close criticism and quite honestly aren’t as good and memorable films as Shawkshank. Just because they’re arhouse and foreign does not give them a free pass.
It was almost a complete flop when it was first released and like Blade Runner it’s reputation has actually been earned. Frank Darabont’s first feature film aswell, it’s a phenomonal achievement.
I watch films all the time I haven’t seen before @Welshy you don’t know a thing about my interest in film, none of you do, and nice work just flat out saying I need to learn more. I think I should just throw it right back at you and say how about you learn some respect. The point of mine as fallacy is bullshit. Your opinion is your own, nothing more, that is MY criticism of the mubi community at large, since we’re freely criticising, and it didn’t take me long at all to realise that trend. I got no problem with bucking against the trend, in fact I’m like that with a lot of my interests, but cherry picking, and unfairly bucking against it, is not cool at all.
Even with the issue raised of sentimentality in Shawshank is debateable, the atmosphere of the prison, especially through the Thomas Newman score is utterly harrowing for majority of the score coupled with the minimal sound design. It’s cherry picking and other films on here, other foreign and arthouse films have not gotten as close criticism and quite honestly aren’t as good and memorable films as Shawkshank. Just because they’re arhouse and foreign does not give them a free pass.
It was almost a complete flop when it was first released and like Blade Runner it’s reputation has actually been earned. Frank Darabont’s first feature film aswell, it’s a phenomonal achievement.
yeah sorry about that, hiccup on my system, it just came out twice. Maybe I’m just reading a lot of criticism worse than it actually is because I had such a disrespectful and utterly atrocious welcoming carpet when I came onto Mubi but some people sure it reads like they’re just stating their personal opinion, other’s not so much, they’re outright speaking for not just themselves but other people aswell, they are passing judgement on a film in a very condescending and overriding way. They’re criticism somehow smells sweeter than someone else’s.
A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
I’ve noticed a great divide on Mubi with Inception, majority are appreciating Inception but others to a varied degree have had a negative reaction. I’m putting it forward do you think you would’ve had as great a negative reaction, if it wasn’t as popular as it was?
The reason I bring this up, is that for once, we have a big budget studio effort which has some of the trappings which go along with that, however, it bares elements and concepts seen in other great cinema of the past along with it’s own originality and thoughtprovoking nature. Some Mubi community members I even observed having an aversion to Inception before it was even released.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
To make it clear I wasn’t expecting a clear yeah my answer would be different guys.
Yeah for the record ARI I did enjoy Inception, that does not mean I’m Edit (correction) not interested in what you guys think though. I would think that it’s obvious from my question that I enjoyed it, not trying to hide a bias. Could we keep it calm though?
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
I didn’t accuse you of that at all. I’m sorry if that is how you feel from the post but that is not my meaning whatsoever.
I was merely observing a sentiment and striking up a discussion on it here, or is Mubi just not mature enough for that?
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
I’m not “posing” anything. The fact is, Inception is for better or worse, a big budget so called "blockbuster film That much we can all agree on yeah?
Inception is obviously reaching to be more than that, perhaps we can agree on that too? Or am I stretching? I guess what I’m wondering is why are people so quick to say statements like, Inception blows. When in the end, that even if they don’t agree that Nolan has achieved much of anything, that the very fact that we have a blockbuster, that is more than transformers, bodes well for the industry.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
Yeah… I’m a shill Roscoe… I see you managed to ignore all the favourite films I’ve chosen… I just happened to choose that as my first rating that’s all.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
ARI, I enjoyed the musings of the nature of ideas, subconcious “demons” played out on screen brought up various things within me, my own dreamscapes, lots of things in it perhaps were more a stepping board for my own thoughts itself but in the end, I didn’t feel like my IQ had dropped like after watching revenge of the fallen did.
Edit/ Roger, and I said there was no flaws in the film where?!?
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
Quite honestly, everyone else here has conducted themselves well. You have just been a negative nanny. I’m not a shill, but you keep believing that sure. So just because I’m new to Mubi, and I rated Inception as my first film, my opinions are invalid? What a crock. The moment you posted I knew that you were going to be a prick.
Inception is a shitty movie, plain and simple.
“’All truth is simple, is that not a compound lie?”
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
oh I’m sorry, I ment to ask, are you a prick? I didn’t really say your a prick, like you didn’t really state I’m a shill.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
excuse but no, you accused me of being a shill. You didn’t just ask and I’m not going to take that. You don’t just “ask” someone if they’ve come onto a site under false pretense.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
I was expecting an apology. funny that.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
Roscoe, even though I have awarded Inception 5 stars I DONT think it is a earth shatteringly flawless, genre defining film. You obviously are not interested in actually having any real discussion on it, hearing my thoughts or actually making a contribution other than it’s a shitty movie, plain and simple and elaborating on that in any meaningful way.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
… Yes but what of your your very clear, concise opinion here of it’s a shitty film, plain and simple. Couldn’t be bothered? decided it’d be better to be confrontational with me and accuse me of being a shill? and continue to.
Oh so when you said “So, getting back to that masterpiece of taste and genius, that genre shattering masterwork INCEPTION, which Paul gives 5 stars to:” You WEREN’T actually prejudging my thoughts? My 5 star rating is actually totally independent of that statement. Your just totally at random, giving Inception totally unattainable traits…
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
I actually know someone who has an aversion to films and media when they gain popular recognition from the masses, he is even consciously aware of it. So I am NOT without basis for this. I didn’t come here to rattle a cage.
It seems to be lost on you that you offended me personally when you accused me of being a shill, not that you said Inception was a shitty movie. That you further just joked after basically saying I was here for no other reason to spruik Inception had gall.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
and decides to simply ask if your a shill… how condescending… I was asking peoples thoughts on a lower popularity, not stating that as a fact it was a link… ffs, you obviously don’t, that’s fine, but I know someone who does have a link between his interests and the masses at large. It’s a barrier for him if the masses put loads of praise on something.
I choose this as my first topic, as I was interested in this, I had no idea that I was going to be faced, with someone so jaded as to think I was being paid to be here.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
It’s also filled with venomous people, filled with negativity, which I see your discussions are filled with. Do you enjoy making little children cry at birthday parties aswell as coming on the interwebs and belittling other peoples opinions of films?
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
Commence controversial opinion:
Unfounded pessimism not intellectually superior to unfounded optimism.
End communication.
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Inception: a truly great film? almost 3 years ago
Why is there such negativity around Inception on Mubi? I really don’t understand. Even if you didn’t like like it surely it can be appreciate a blockbuster being something more for once. In the end there wasn’t even that many visual effect shots in Inception, that’s pretty amazing. think of Return of the King being in the thousands and other big films, with astronomical budgets greater than Inception, with no where near the thoughtfulness that Nolan has attempted.
It’s not arthouse, it’s not strenuously cerebral, but it isn’t trying to be, it was never attempting to be. It is a extremely well crafted, tight thriller with themes of loss, redemption, deception, subconscious, dreamscapes, the nature of ideas, dreams and our relation to them. I for one will be happy to see Inception succeed, as it sends a message to the studio system that Christopher Nolan perhaps is onto something. You can make money from serious filmmaking.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
What’s the point of defending something when I don’t even agree with what is thought I think to begin with. I don’t think it’s a flawless film. I don’t believe Inception is near perfection to begin with, no freaking film is. I don’t think it’s beyond reproach. I didn’t come here to argue, I didnt come here to attack, and I didnt come here to be attacked. I certainly didn’t expect to be met with the same behaviour I’ve witnessed on the forums of gamers.
Your post doesn’t deserve a reply. Just like Roscoe
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Inception: a truly great film? almost 3 years ago
I’m not sure if my comment is even aimed at you Matt. Are you one of the people that are saying that everyone who has enjoyed Inception is mentally inept or lacks film experience or even brain functionality?
See here’s the thing, I too enjoy Primer, I agree, it’s a much more thoughtful and complex film but why can’t Inception be enjoyed aswell, for different reasons for what it is? There’s even more complex films than Primer out there… That doesn’t invalidate Primer for me either.
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A Hypothesis almost 3 years ago
Thanks for the actual welcomes. Lets make it clear, I didn’t come out thinking best film ever, my entire outlook on life has changed, films have been changed forever and ever. I also however did not come out thinking, wow, Nolan has become a hack, there was no depth, or meaningfulness in that whatsoever, that was some of my life I want back wasted, can I have it back please? I hate the film industry. Both mentalities are seemingly out of control alittle.
Liamallen I also think it’s fair to ask that question of Inception, as even though my philosophical mind was triggered, I didn’t come out like I coulld write a huge spread on a blog about it. Yes the film was based around the idea of pragmatism. Yes It visually called into question the nature of our dreams and our relationship to them. The nature of our subconcious, the creative process of our dreams, the possible manipulation of that. Could I write an essay on it? Probably not. I’m saying why does it matter. For once we have a excellent mainstream film, smart, well crafted and tight. Combining 2 genre’s which we rarely see together and probably will again, a scifi and the caper. At the very least it isn’t worth the venomous negativity of some, sure, it doesn’t deserve greatest film ever made either, their equally as guilty. One is not better than the other though.
Talor, the reason why the third level is so much more heavy in terms of gunplay and soldiering is explained in the plot. Fischer in the past has recieved personal training to combat extraction, and the deeper they go, the harder his subconscious is going to push back, they were already caught offguard when they entered the first layer.
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Gateway Films almost 3 years ago
saw Blade Runner when I was 10. Though my interest in film also stemmed from another direction aswell as the wonder from Blade Runner soon after, that of film scores at that time when I came involved in music.
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Inception: a truly great film? almost 3 years ago
What? Here on Mubi? Never…. (I’m trying to keep the humor) :P
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Inception: a truly great film? almost 3 years ago
Here here Mariel. That’s a measured and thoughtful opinion I can get behind…
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Is there such thing as a good video game movie? almost 3 years ago
I think Silent Hill is a actually a decently made film, an ok cast, great physical effects, some seem like they’re cg but are actually physical. Some great sets and some brillainty loyally constructed things from the games, even camera movements. Quite honestly I don’t usually go for horror films, and Silent Hill is the only one which I liked in recent times. Anymore, not even close.
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Is there such thing as a good video game movie? almost 3 years ago
I respectfully disagree with all that. While some of those points actually do have weight and some I do think myself aswell, It does all have an air of cynic to it all. They don’t have enough weight to to peg Silent Hill as a complete miss. It’s still a decent film and the visuals are still fantastic, as a lot of it is a pairing of cg and physical, most even being physical, which at the time, everyone was going crazy for CG, which was great that they went against the mold.
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Does anybody not like this? almost 3 years ago
LOL. Even with Shawshank Redemption I see Mubi elitism is alive and well. Since when did someone’s opinion substitute the majority?
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Does anybody not like this? almost 3 years ago
No film is flawless, yeah they are all valid criticism’s, but if you look close enough at any film, you will find them. I’m new here, but I’m seeing many, many people here who are cherry picking.
I have no problem sharing criticism, BUT people are forgetting the sharing part. People are forcing their opinions it seems to me. This whole this is the truth, this film is just not that great, the critics, the populous, the media are wrong, it’s that simple mentality everyone is wrong which is around here, is just bizarre. Lots of people are living in a bubble.
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Does anybody not like this? almost 3 years ago
I watch films all the time I haven’t seen before @Welshy you don’t know a thing about my interest in film, none of you do, and nice work just flat out saying I need to learn more. I think I should just throw it right back at you and say how about you learn some respect. The point of mine as fallacy is bullshit. Your opinion is your own, nothing more, that is MY criticism of the mubi community at large, since we’re freely criticising, and it didn’t take me long at all to realise that trend. I got no problem with bucking against the trend, in fact I’m like that with a lot of my interests, but cherry picking, and unfairly bucking against it, is not cool at all.
Even with the issue raised of sentimentality in Shawshank is debateable, the atmosphere of the prison, especially through the Thomas Newman score is utterly harrowing for majority of the score coupled with the minimal sound design. It’s cherry picking and other films on here, other foreign and arthouse films have not gotten as close criticism and quite honestly aren’t as good and memorable films as Shawkshank. Just because they’re arhouse and foreign does not give them a free pass.
It was almost a complete flop when it was first released and like Blade Runner it’s reputation has actually been earned. Frank Darabont’s first feature film aswell, it’s a phenomonal achievement.
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Does anybody not like this? almost 3 years ago
I watch films all the time I haven’t seen before @Welshy you don’t know a thing about my interest in film, none of you do, and nice work just flat out saying I need to learn more. I think I should just throw it right back at you and say how about you learn some respect. The point of mine as fallacy is bullshit. Your opinion is your own, nothing more, that is MY criticism of the mubi community at large, since we’re freely criticising, and it didn’t take me long at all to realise that trend. I got no problem with bucking against the trend, in fact I’m like that with a lot of my interests, but cherry picking, and unfairly bucking against it, is not cool at all.
Even with the issue raised of sentimentality in Shawshank is debateable, the atmosphere of the prison, especially through the Thomas Newman score is utterly harrowing for majority of the score coupled with the minimal sound design. It’s cherry picking and other films on here, other foreign and arthouse films have not gotten as close criticism and quite honestly aren’t as good and memorable films as Shawkshank. Just because they’re arhouse and foreign does not give them a free pass.
It was almost a complete flop when it was first released and like Blade Runner it’s reputation has actually been earned. Frank Darabont’s first feature film aswell, it’s a phenomonal achievement.
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Does anybody not like this? almost 3 years ago
yeah sorry about that, hiccup on my system, it just came out twice. Maybe I’m just reading a lot of criticism worse than it actually is because I had such a disrespectful and utterly atrocious welcoming carpet when I came onto Mubi but some people sure it reads like they’re just stating their personal opinion, other’s not so much, they’re outright speaking for not just themselves but other people aswell, they are passing judgement on a film in a very condescending and overriding way. They’re criticism somehow smells sweeter than someone else’s.
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