Most of my friends can’t stand Van Sant’s Last Days, and I can’t either, but it’s one of those movies I can watch over and over and always be interested for reasons beyond my understanding.
How the father helps his children reconsider their shitty situation of possibly all being from different men in dodeskaden. Her Name is Sabine when Sabine watches her vacation video to America. Red Beard patiently giving the uncooperative kid medicine without changing his attitude toward her anger. The entire ending of Secrets and Lies. Falconetti telling the jury that her mother taught her prayer.
Dogville, Edvard Munch, and A Scene at the Sea because it’s like a treasured part of my teenage years, and it would probably ruin my perceptions of that movie if I were to watch it again.
Boondock (possibly only made by the Weinsteins because of Pulp Fiction’s popularity) Saints, and Pan’s Labrynth. What the hell’s the big deal with that movie? It’s shot very generically, and uses a color pattern similar to every other Del Toro film, and now just reminds me of Spirit of the Beehive, but with more violence, monsters, and an arch villain.
Naked, Meantime, Happy-Go-Lucky, and basically anything else that destroys heavily held concepts of how to live, what’s important, and is by Mike Leigh. Actually alot of pissed off films come out of the UK. I like Alan Clarke, and Lindsay Anderson movies for that, as well.
I agree with Rob. I will never understand the Shawshank Redemption’s greatness. Is it the music, maybe? Do people relate to being in jail, and escaping through tunnels of shit? I’ll just go with that before I think too hard about it.
I guess you could call a chick flick something by Nora Ephron, or a movie that’s a polar opposite to what a guy is supposed to like, which is guns, explosions, slow motion naked chicks, and cars. They’re made, I have no doubt about that, to appeal to one gender or the other as it is a business that makes them, just like how most childrens movies are supposed to appeal to them (Spike Jonze had to reshoot his own damn movie, partly, because of this). Obviously Titanic is up there because it represents some kind of romantic love that never had a chance to ruin itself once it got off the ground so it’s strictly grounded in that first developement stage of passion, and lust that I guess we consider to be romantic because their hearts will go on. Supposedly, it appealed to men because the boat sank, and it appealed to women because of the love story, an idea that I think is bullshit. But maybe you could make the argument that guys will only consider a movie that depicts rape, or something showcasing the dangers towards women to be a good film, like Irreversible, or Straw Dogs, or Silence of the Lambs. Then you look at something like Fat Girl and it might cause you to question that idea of what women and men are supposed to like. It’s all a matter of taste, I guess. But my mom totally digs Stealing Magnolias, and Fried Green Tomatoes so show your date those.
Self Indulgence in No order. This is all I got so far.
Loulou
Fantastic Planet
The Passion of Joan of Arc
L’enfant
La Strada
Within Our Gates
Elephant (both versions)
Bully
Scenes From a Marriage
Born On the Fourth of July
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Naked
A Woman Under the Influence
A Tale of Floating Weeds
Short Cuts
Forbidden Games
Jaws
Gate of Flesh
Topsy Turvy
The Untouchables
Stolen Kisses
King of Kings
The Mission
Shadows
Where is the Friend’s House
Phantom India
Meantime
Bowling for Columbine
Vagabond
Husbands
L’argent
Edvard Munch
Diabolique
The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Tales of Hoffman
I agree that it was overrated for non-cinematic reasons. It is a decent movie, and Heath Ledger did well in it, as some people have compared his character to something Gary Oldman might have done a few years back. But it got hyped beyond all recognition when Ledger died. The Twilight Zone lost three actors, and it wasn’t considered the best film of the year, so I’m wondering what is so great about The Dark Knight. It tries to say something about covering up messes for the greater good, and does something each new superhero movie’s been doing for the last decade, which is to have the people of the city be the real exemplerary heroes. It’s not very original, as it can be compared to how the Penguin attempted to make batman the villain in Batman Returns. Is it because it takes itself so seriously? Critics tend to not like that, but maybe it’s hard for Americans to bash something that’s so tightly bundled in it’s own bank. Because it’s a popular comic book? It’s become the Godfather of today, god help us, and like Truffaut said about The Godfather, it’s basically overshadowing everything that’s possibly a better film.
What’s so bad about Chasing Amy or Metropolitan? They are some of the most well written dialogue pieces of the decade, which is probably why they were included. But I don’t really understand why The Lost Honor of Katherina Blum (sorry if misspelled) is in there.
Christopher Nolan, and Spielberg. Spielberg is talented with the camera even though his exposition seems to hold little meaning, a trait in the big-time-today-cinema. Nolan may not even know what a camera is, from what I’ve seen. Just think where cinema might’ve been without Spielberg getting famous on a shark that was unintentionally not shown throughout the movie, Harrison Ford being sick, and Lucas not going into computers.
Peter Falk – A Woman Under the Influence
Marlon Brando – Working over Vivien Leigh’s poor practiced permforance
Gerard Depardieu – Police
Renee Falconetti – Passion of Joan of Arc
Denzel Washington – Malcolm X
David Thewlis (and every other character) – Naked
Bashing Spielberg is the same as bashing Hitchcock, Elia Kazan, Orson Welles, or Fritz Lang. Some very undeservingly appreciated classics based on some people’s personal opinion, and not on huge fucking joint efforts from AFI.
It makes sense that almost every director nowadays has the ability to be an auteur. But I’m always confused when the writer/director doesn’t edit their own films. There’s only been, to my knowledge, kiarostami, robert rodriguez, gus van sant, and uhhhh Kevin Smith, I guess really recently. I was surprised to see that Derek Jarman didn’t get editing credit for Last of England. Maybe one of the million named up there do, though.
I’m trying to figure out what criteria a film needs in order to make in onto the list, and alot of it just seems like a bunch of firsts, and directors who had their own unique “thing” that sometimes said profound things, or did things in a new profound way which started fads, and garnered half assed attempts from other directors to be like the first of it’s kind. Which is why Open City will probably be added someday, and maybe a couple of debut’s from famous directors, and maybe a palm d’or winner like Rome, Open City, and why Vera Drake should get on here over something like 4 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days, but neither probably will because what’s so special about them? They’re good, and say important things, and so do a million other movies. So, I’m thinking maybe genre horror films that totally redefined the gore effects, and body count thing. Maybe Oliver Stone’s first movie. Or Last House on the Left, unless there was something similar to that before, which there probably was. Criterion knows all!
But I do hope they release more Pialat, and yes, a Vigo double release would be awesome.
Edvard Munch, Last Days (maybe), chihwaseon/painted fire (it’s okay, but the director told the story in a very similar fashion to a Pialat film and he won best director at Cannes for doing so) Topsy Turvy, and Pecker.
This is the internet. This is what happens on the internet. It’s okay. No one’s going to change anything. We can only say our opinion because maybe we don’t want to hold it in any longer, and all of our friends don’t give two shits about certain things the same way some people on a forum might. That is why there is so much venting. And you are doing the same thing with this thread. You would have made a much better point of your argument if you hadn’t posted anything at all.
Maybe you’re mixing up conflict, and problems with bleak and miserable. Basically every story in the world has conflict, and some kind of problem that the characters face. The only movie that I can think off the top of my head that’s really really bleak, and depressing is Bleak Moments, and it’s not a great movie. In my attempt to find a movie that’s really not all that depressing but gets all the fame, and hooplah is maybe The Taste of Tea. The director wanted a movie where nothing bad happens. Or look at Animal House. It’s a classic and it’s not bleak, unless you think about John Belushi’s life after the film.
Little Monsters. When I was a kid that movie was the shit, and now I don’t like Maurice anymore. There’s still moments that are great, like the beggining family stuff, but it really aged with me.
Movies you love, but everyone else hates. over 3 years ago
Most of my friends can’t stand Van Sant’s Last Days, and I can’t either, but it’s one of those movies I can watch over and over and always be interested for reasons beyond my understanding.
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What film scenes really make you cry? over 3 years ago
How the father helps his children reconsider their shitty situation of possibly all being from different men in dodeskaden. Her Name is Sabine when Sabine watches her vacation video to America. Red Beard patiently giving the uncooperative kid medicine without changing his attitude toward her anger. The entire ending of Secrets and Lies. Falconetti telling the jury that her mother taught her prayer.
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Films that changed how you looked at cinema over 3 years ago
Kikujiro, Dead or Alive (Miike), Fallen Angels, The River (Tsai Ming Liang), Autumn Sonata, and Last Days.
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Great movies that you never want to see again over 3 years ago
Dogville, Edvard Munch, and A Scene at the Sea because it’s like a treasured part of my teenage years, and it would probably ruin my perceptions of that movie if I were to watch it again.
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Movies That Should Be In the Criterion Collection over 3 years ago
Something from Kitano, or more Pialat. Like We Won’t Grow Old Together.
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Movies you hated that everyone else loves over 3 years ago
Boondock (possibly only made by the Weinsteins because of Pulp Fiction’s popularity) Saints, and Pan’s Labrynth. What the hell’s the big deal with that movie? It’s shot very generically, and uses a color pattern similar to every other Del Toro film, and now just reminds me of Spirit of the Beehive, but with more violence, monsters, and an arch villain.
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MOVIES TO WATCH WHEN YOU'RE PISSED over 3 years ago
Naked, Meantime, Happy-Go-Lucky, and basically anything else that destroys heavily held concepts of how to live, what’s important, and is by Mike Leigh. Actually alot of pissed off films come out of the UK. I like Alan Clarke, and Lindsay Anderson movies for that, as well.
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What great films do you violently hate for no other reason than because you're a total idiot? over 3 years ago
I agree with Rob. I will never understand the Shawshank Redemption’s greatness. Is it the music, maybe? Do people relate to being in jail, and escaping through tunnels of shit? I’ll just go with that before I think too hard about it.
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Best War Movie(s) over 3 years ago
Fires on the Plain, Les Carabiniers, and Starship Troopers. Redacted isn’t preaching, it’s showing. Oh yeah, To be or Not To Be is funny as hell.
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You choose the book to make into a film. Then choose the director. Go! over 3 years ago
Coin Locker Babies – Gasper Noe
A Personal Matter – Paul Schrader
Kristin Lavransdatter – Lynne Ramsay. Give her something to do.
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Best War Movie(s) over 3 years ago
Especially when Noel hasn’t seen the film.
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IS THERE SUCH A THING AS HIS AND HER MOVIES - ARE MOVIES GENDER-BIASED? over 3 years ago
I guess you could call a chick flick something by Nora Ephron, or a movie that’s a polar opposite to what a guy is supposed to like, which is guns, explosions, slow motion naked chicks, and cars. They’re made, I have no doubt about that, to appeal to one gender or the other as it is a business that makes them, just like how most childrens movies are supposed to appeal to them (Spike Jonze had to reshoot his own damn movie, partly, because of this). Obviously Titanic is up there because it represents some kind of romantic love that never had a chance to ruin itself once it got off the ground so it’s strictly grounded in that first developement stage of passion, and lust that I guess we consider to be romantic because their hearts will go on. Supposedly, it appealed to men because the boat sank, and it appealed to women because of the love story, an idea that I think is bullshit. But maybe you could make the argument that guys will only consider a movie that depicts rape, or something showcasing the dangers towards women to be a good film, like Irreversible, or Straw Dogs, or Silence of the Lambs. Then you look at something like Fat Girl and it might cause you to question that idea of what women and men are supposed to like. It’s all a matter of taste, I guess. But my mom totally digs Stealing Magnolias, and Fried Green Tomatoes so show your date those.
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100 Greatest Films over 3 years ago
Self Indulgence in No order. This is all I got so far.
Loulou
Fantastic Planet
The Passion of Joan of Arc
L’enfant
La Strada
Within Our Gates
Elephant (both versions)
Bully
Scenes From a Marriage
Born On the Fourth of July
Au Revoir Les Enfants
Naked
A Woman Under the Influence
A Tale of Floating Weeds
Short Cuts
Forbidden Games
Jaws
Gate of Flesh
Topsy Turvy
The Untouchables
Stolen Kisses
King of Kings
The Mission
Shadows
Where is the Friend’s House
Phantom India
Meantime
Bowling for Columbine
Vagabond
Husbands
L’argent
Edvard Munch
Diabolique
The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Tales of Hoffman
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Does anyone else feel THE DARK KNIGHT is way overrated? over 3 years ago
I agree that it was overrated for non-cinematic reasons. It is a decent movie, and Heath Ledger did well in it, as some people have compared his character to something Gary Oldman might have done a few years back. But it got hyped beyond all recognition when Ledger died. The Twilight Zone lost three actors, and it wasn’t considered the best film of the year, so I’m wondering what is so great about The Dark Knight. It tries to say something about covering up messes for the greater good, and does something each new superhero movie’s been doing for the last decade, which is to have the people of the city be the real exemplerary heroes. It’s not very original, as it can be compared to how the Penguin attempted to make batman the villain in Batman Returns. Is it because it takes itself so seriously? Critics tend to not like that, but maybe it’s hard for Americans to bash something that’s so tightly bundled in it’s own bank. Because it’s a popular comic book? It’s become the Godfather of today, god help us, and like Truffaut said about The Godfather, it’s basically overshadowing everything that’s possibly a better film.
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Best title over 3 years ago
Nuts in May. Bleak Moments. Inland Empire. Father Fucker.
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Now, how about CRITERION issued films you just don't like!! over 3 years ago
What’s so bad about Chasing Amy or Metropolitan? They are some of the most well written dialogue pieces of the decade, which is probably why they were included. But I don’t really understand why The Lost Honor of Katherina Blum (sorry if misspelled) is in there.
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 3 years ago
Christopher Nolan, and Spielberg. Spielberg is talented with the camera even though his exposition seems to hold little meaning, a trait in the big-time-today-cinema. Nolan may not even know what a camera is, from what I’ve seen. Just think where cinema might’ve been without Spielberg getting famous on a shark that was unintentionally not shown throughout the movie, Harrison Ford being sick, and Lucas not going into computers.
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How would you describe your favorite genre? over 3 years ago
I like acting movies, where there’s a full spectrum and the actors are handled with more care than the story. That genre.
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Does anyone else feel THE DARK KNIGHT is way overrated? over 3 years ago
Entertainment is relative. I don’t find this film entertaining, it’s trying too hard to be entertaining.
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List the most exemplary acting performance(s) over 3 years ago
Peter Falk – A Woman Under the Influence
Marlon Brando – Working over Vivien Leigh’s poor practiced permforance
Gerard Depardieu – Police
Renee Falconetti – Passion of Joan of Arc
Denzel Washington – Malcolm X
David Thewlis (and every other character) – Naked
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 3 years ago
Bashing Spielberg is the same as bashing Hitchcock, Elia Kazan, Orson Welles, or Fritz Lang. Some very undeservingly appreciated classics based on some people’s personal opinion, and not on huge fucking joint efforts from AFI.
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Comprehensive list of modern Auteur Directors over 3 years ago
It makes sense that almost every director nowadays has the ability to be an auteur. But I’m always confused when the writer/director doesn’t edit their own films. There’s only been, to my knowledge, kiarostami, robert rodriguez, gus van sant, and uhhhh Kevin Smith, I guess really recently. I was surprised to see that Derek Jarman didn’t get editing credit for Last of England. Maybe one of the million named up there do, though.
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directors better than tarantino over 3 years ago
he gets good performances, even if they have to work themselves around his dialogue. that’s all I know.
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Movies That Should Be In the Criterion Collection over 3 years ago
I’m trying to figure out what criteria a film needs in order to make in onto the list, and alot of it just seems like a bunch of firsts, and directors who had their own unique “thing” that sometimes said profound things, or did things in a new profound way which started fads, and garnered half assed attempts from other directors to be like the first of it’s kind. Which is why Open City will probably be added someday, and maybe a couple of debut’s from famous directors, and maybe a palm d’or winner like Rome, Open City, and why Vera Drake should get on here over something like 4 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days, but neither probably will because what’s so special about them? They’re good, and say important things, and so do a million other movies. So, I’m thinking maybe genre horror films that totally redefined the gore effects, and body count thing. Maybe Oliver Stone’s first movie. Or Last House on the Left, unless there was something similar to that before, which there probably was. Criterion knows all!
But I do hope they release more Pialat, and yes, a Vigo double release would be awesome.
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Great films about artists.. over 3 years ago
Edvard Munch, Last Days (maybe), chihwaseon/painted fire (it’s okay, but the director told the story in a very similar fashion to a Pialat film and he won best director at Cannes for doing so) Topsy Turvy, and Pecker.
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Are posts on overrated films and directors also overrated? over 3 years ago
This is the internet. This is what happens on the internet. It’s okay. No one’s going to change anything. We can only say our opinion because maybe we don’t want to hold it in any longer, and all of our friends don’t give two shits about certain things the same way some people on a forum might. That is why there is so much venting. And you are doing the same thing with this thread. You would have made a much better point of your argument if you hadn’t posted anything at all.
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What films do you always catch shit for for not liking? over 3 years ago
Every single one that made alot of money, because unfortunately, they’re all good and I’m just jaded about it’s popularity.
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Thoughts on 'Black Orpheus'? over 3 years ago
It helped get me into samba, and bossa nova.
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Do great films have to be depressing and bleak to be great? over 3 years ago
Maybe you’re mixing up conflict, and problems with bleak and miserable. Basically every story in the world has conflict, and some kind of problem that the characters face. The only movie that I can think off the top of my head that’s really really bleak, and depressing is Bleak Moments, and it’s not a great movie. In my attempt to find a movie that’s really not all that depressing but gets all the fame, and hooplah is maybe The Taste of Tea. The director wanted a movie where nothing bad happens. Or look at Animal House. It’s a classic and it’s not bleak, unless you think about John Belushi’s life after the film.
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I used to think this movie was great, but i don't anymore over 3 years ago
Little Monsters. When I was a kid that movie was the shit, and now I don’t like Maurice anymore. There’s still moments that are great, like the beggining family stuff, but it really aged with me.
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