According to IMDB:
“Although credited on screen only as “…and I”, ‘Paul McGann’ ‘s character is named as “Marwood” in the script. It was widely believed that the character’s first name is Peter, and this is in fact confirmed in the uncut version of the film, as Withnail refers to I/Marwood as Peter during the discussion about acting work at Monty’s house."
However, this mythic “uncut version” of which they speak is not the Criterion ‘uncut’ version – Criterion’s appears to be identical to the UK version. If anyone can shed further light on this “uncut version” and where it can be viewed/obtained, then I’d be pretty happy too.
@GREY DAISIES: That Godard quote actually sums up exactly what I feel about music. Nice one!
What may be classed a “weird” to some can also be WAAAAY to close to the percieved “norm” to others. I, for instance, would not classify Sigur Ros as weird in any way – adventurous and epic, yes, but definitely not weird. Then again, I wouldn’t call Sunn O))) weird either, and I am a huge Sunn O))) fan.
I think classifying music as “weird” works in two ways – (a) it is a tool used to separate the “music classes” – i.e. ‘yeah let’s go listen to some weird music to piss off the jocks’; and (b) it is an umbrella (albeit a very lazy one) used to cover acts that would not usually be lumped together. The same goes for defining a type of genre for bands to be clumped together under. In the past this could often be useful, especially when seeking out bands that sounded similar to something you liked. However, in this digital age where it is so easy to obtain music online, and where genre boundaries have been pushed so far that something like, say, ‘Goth’ means something completely different for someone who was a teenager in the 80’s to a teenager from this decade (and you could say the same for R&B fans from the 50’s/60’s to now), then lumping everything under a “weird” banner is far too easy, and a bit lazy too.
Going back to the Godard quote, I for one am happy to consider all music to be my ocean – water can either soothe you, pelt you, freak you out, scare the shit out of you, warm you, chill you, drown you, etc… Same as music – just try making a playlist on your iPod out of John Martyn, Sunn O))), Svarte Grenier, Autechre, Tujiko Noriko, Alice Coltrane, Throbbing Gristle, Oneida, Jandek, Bert Jansch, No Neck Blues Band, Goslings, Double Leopards, Om, Pan Sonic, Goblin, Olivia Tremor Control, The Bug, Monarch!, Neu!, The Hospitals, Colleen, To Live And Shave In LA, Hair Police, Brian Eno… or just ignore all the above and put in whatever you want. The result may be different, but the idea is the same – music can alter moods, regardless of genre or whether one song sounds ideal when following another.
I guess the film fans among us (for, after all, that is why we are really here…) do tend to look for music that is more experimental, more atmospheric, more filmic, if you will, so please just ignore everything I’ve said above – regardless of what we listen to, I’m pretty sure we are all already on the same page.
Peter Marwood or "...and I"? over 3 years ago
According to IMDB:
“Although credited on screen only as “…and I”, ‘Paul McGann’ ‘s character is named as “Marwood” in the script. It was widely believed that the character’s first name is Peter, and this is in fact confirmed in the uncut version of the film, as Withnail refers to I/Marwood as Peter during the discussion about acting work at Monty’s house."
However, this mythic “uncut version” of which they speak is not the Criterion ‘uncut’ version – Criterion’s appears to be identical to the UK version. If anyone can shed further light on this “uncut version” and where it can be viewed/obtained, then I’d be pretty happy too.
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noise/post rock/weird music over 2 years ago
@GREY DAISIES: That Godard quote actually sums up exactly what I feel about music. Nice one!
What may be classed a “weird” to some can also be WAAAAY to close to the percieved “norm” to others. I, for instance, would not classify Sigur Ros as weird in any way – adventurous and epic, yes, but definitely not weird. Then again, I wouldn’t call Sunn O))) weird either, and I am a huge Sunn O))) fan.
I think classifying music as “weird” works in two ways – (a) it is a tool used to separate the “music classes” – i.e. ‘yeah let’s go listen to some weird music to piss off the jocks’; and (b) it is an umbrella (albeit a very lazy one) used to cover acts that would not usually be lumped together. The same goes for defining a type of genre for bands to be clumped together under. In the past this could often be useful, especially when seeking out bands that sounded similar to something you liked. However, in this digital age where it is so easy to obtain music online, and where genre boundaries have been pushed so far that something like, say, ‘Goth’ means something completely different for someone who was a teenager in the 80’s to a teenager from this decade (and you could say the same for R&B fans from the 50’s/60’s to now), then lumping everything under a “weird” banner is far too easy, and a bit lazy too.
Going back to the Godard quote, I for one am happy to consider all music to be my ocean – water can either soothe you, pelt you, freak you out, scare the shit out of you, warm you, chill you, drown you, etc… Same as music – just try making a playlist on your iPod out of John Martyn, Sunn O))), Svarte Grenier, Autechre, Tujiko Noriko, Alice Coltrane, Throbbing Gristle, Oneida, Jandek, Bert Jansch, No Neck Blues Band, Goslings, Double Leopards, Om, Pan Sonic, Goblin, Olivia Tremor Control, The Bug, Monarch!, Neu!, The Hospitals, Colleen, To Live And Shave In LA, Hair Police, Brian Eno… or just ignore all the above and put in whatever you want. The result may be different, but the idea is the same – music can alter moods, regardless of genre or whether one song sounds ideal when following another.
I guess the film fans among us (for, after all, that is why we are really here…) do tend to look for music that is more experimental, more atmospheric, more filmic, if you will, so please just ignore everything I’ve said above – regardless of what we listen to, I’m pretty sure we are all already on the same page.
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