I think a lot of people are considerably missing the point. An “Overrated” Director is a filmmaker whom is heavily appraised and followed, who you as the subjective believes to not be deserved of that merit.
Marc Forster, Joel Schumacher, Kevin Smith, Harmony Korine, Tyler Perry, Bryan Singer, Michael “fuckin” Bay do not deserve to be mentioned because no filmmaker in their right mind can have a conversation about their technique in terms of pure direction. Smith’s strength is a writer in Clerks, Chasing Amy. Singer Sculpted a great story ark with his writing part and Spacey helped sell it with minimal direction. Korine should be in another field if it wasn’t for the intrigued he gains. and so on and so forth with rest I’ve mentioned. Some of these men are great businessmen and they put people in seats with the most modern of entertaining gimmicks.
Paul Haggis has Oscars for the most bullshit films to be printed on celluloid. Inject a three act structure out of a Syd Field book, make it about social issues, have characters have problems, have a dramatic ending. Bam you can have Oscar gold.
Following would be Guy Maddin, he’s tries to hard to create films out of his financial resource. His shorts are brilliant, but without solid dramatic script, solid cast 2 hour film doesn’t fully resonate.
and finally
Jean-Luc Godard. He’s a rebel, and true cinephile, his enthusiasm and his ideology in making films are what is influential, not his direction in the films or the films themselves. Its like a rebel of teen or a young adult is sometimes admirable in its ideology but eventually everyone grows out of it. After the 60’s Godard didn’t and the film world left him behind. of like 80 films he’s made maybe 10 of those are watchable. We merit him because he’s the first to use the jump cut, now everyone does it but a great director continues to find a way to be relevant and make trend. Some people talk him up as the beginning or great french cinema and how ushered in the New Wave. Sorry but Jean Pierre Melville started it and he did genre cinema better than anyone.
PS: Spielberg most overrated ummm sorry i Don’t think so! please shut up and go watch a Woody Allen movie. People don’t seem to mention Saving Private Ryan, Schindler’s List, Raiders of the Lost Ark as overrated films thus how may you then say he is overrated?? Its unquestionable how much a masterpiece a film like Schindler’s List is, This guys technique is the most mirrored and copied since pre-1940s, for better or for worse.
Croix: Anyone can argue that nothing in this world is original and that everyone is just perfects others techniques.
Let me hear you critique of Schindler’s List and Saving Private Ryan? how are they not amazing works of cinema? Is just a subjective reaction are can clinically break down both films and say what Spielberg contributed to those projects did not project them to be two of the greatest big budget American films ever.
Michael Bay and Spielberg are not remotely the same, because they create effects driven blockbusters are you going clump him in as being the same. Those films even for Spielberg are his worst easily with exception to Raiders. He ever rarely comes with a film he has a personal investment and he mixes his intelligence and his aesthetic of popcorn cinema and mixes a intelligent film that’s accessible for everyone, Even for pretentious Cinephiles such as you and myself who are on this site.
The end of the day what everyone on this site rarely realizes is that they argue an opinion based on subjective viewing. Oh I like this one. i didn’t really connect with this film. I didnt understand this film. To have a descent opinion make a few films of your own, learn the technology and then watch a film and feel it through. It’ll round your opinion out.
I’m guilty of it to, i’m fully admitting, but I would find it really refreshing if i read something that shows that this person truly understands film and he really dissected this filmmaker or film.
Roger Deakins (Cinematographer) The strength of his images and his lighting schemes saved Assassination of Jesse James, elevating it to a great new age western.
Matthew Weiner (creator of Mad Men and former Sopranos writer) You can tell what episodes he’s written on the Sopranos when you see them if you are a keen watcher of Mad Men.
I totally concur with Whittle and Elvis, Producers like Jerry Bruckheimer and Brian Grazer, you can tell their respective control over their films for better or for worse.
That’s weak man, do you really expect me to search through your threads to find how you technically dissected Schindler’s List + Private Ryan.
Yeah but Spielberg’s career is defined by a significant split between almost two different directors.
The Spielberg, the Dreamworks studio executive, a filmmaker concerned in using the most recent in technology to tell a generic three act structure and gain financial return while creating a film so that the general populous can watch and be purely on a basic level be entertained. (You can fill the blank on what films go into this column.)
Then you have Spielberg when he has a personal connection to a project. Close Encounter’s, Schindler’s List, Amistad, Private Ryan, Munich etc…Has Michael Bay ever had a personal connection to a films he’s made, no i don’t think… cause he has no soul. Bay couldn’t make anything like remotely close to these films. Spielberg might be sentimental, but the significant difference maker from him and all the other effects blockbuster directors, is that Spielberg sentiment always seems to come off as genuine.
Ok to start with the Script. I’ve read Zaillian original and its essentially a hugely stripped down version of the book. The characters exist in the book, and the story is generally there. Schindler’s not as respected in the book, but the nazi Amon is still and brilliant rich character. Spielberg added the ghetto liquidation sequence, to help round out the dramatic trajectory and helping make Schindler change of motive not so unbelievable. Good job Steve.
Casting is perfect. There isn’t a single miscast. Liam Neeson, Ralph Finnes at their best not to mention Ben Kingsley. and its a difficult movie to cast because with some German being spoken, and all the various accents need to mesh without irritation or you will spoil the tangibility of world in the film. Why not just do it all in German, well the possibility that same people who push for dubbed movies don’t sink in with the important dramatic plot points.
Ok now to actual production, Working with Kaminski, developing to that create style, and deciding to strip down his typical approach and aesthetics of crane shots and stedi-cams, to documentary style, like much of the docs and news you see on it. Brilliant choice, adds realism and with a financial budget of 15 million, it allows to add days to the schedule and get extras and sets built whilst still have a very steady work flow. great choice cause the film is 3 hours but it’s pace and rhythm begins in the production schedule because Spielberg edits his rough cut while he shoots. Black white is brilliant allows the beautiful metaphor of the little child in the red coat to stand out to the audience, loss of innocence etc…
The stands up in every way of cinema. Brilliant dialogue and scenes ( I… pardon you), Humanity and duality in all the characters all help project the idea of whats the worst human cans do. The pacing of this film is easy Spielberg’s best, simply because it’s a dense film in it’s poetic tangibles. Music is wonderful, Perlman’s violin is rich with sorrow, the sound from itself tells a story of human tragedy. Kaminski’s lighting schemes, black and white is tough to get great results out of, but he just really makes that light layer, and help emote the world, especially in the opening sequence.
The historical timing of the film has to be mentioned also, I remember hearing stories of how in the late eighties a cousin’s Kosher deli being vandalized by neo-nazi’s in Hell’s Kitchen. I know neo-nazism was continually rising throughout the eighties and after the fall of the berlin wall.
So to release and dedicate a film like this so that the whole of North American culture can hopefully without feeling alienated by an art-house appeal see it, truly connect with it, and learn, question things. It’s serves a purpose, and shows the true power of cinema and possibilities and responsibilities filmmakers have to continue to tell these kinds of stories with honesty and no exploitation.
It’s a Masterpiece and easily the best film representation of the Holocaust simply because its ability to work on every level, except apparently yours Blade Runner (Deckard).
I believe i got my point across and i wont go on, you still want to call me out. you message me, and ill continue…
No need to get insulting blade runner.
As I said if you wanted to continue this just message me. Id like to see you defend Pearl Harbor. Like in any art form, peoples interpretation is always slightly subjective, i just tried to mildly back it up, with what i read in the making of book, and just what i recall from the film. I could go into greater detail technically, but I do that on cinematography forums and my post was already unjustifiably long, where if i were to go any longer I couldnt justify the time Ive spent from actually editing my film, and other current projects.
We can move on, You don’t like Spielberg cause he has feelings. I guess you’re not a replicant Deckard. Lighten up dude, and take a joke man, you’re blessed with a wicked first name.
This is a Topic dedicated to the idea of Scorsese’s Mean Streets being made for contemporary audiences with a budget? How it should be done? Why it shouldn’t be done? Should Scorsese Direct it? etc…
The hope is to begin debate.
Has anyone said the JFK assassination in the Zapruder film? (sorry that was distasteful i know)
On a Serious note: Yeah Scanners is classic. Pulp Fiction its a great plot point. and i might have not seen it written before but I’m surprised The Elevator Scene in The Departed hasn’t been mentioned.
Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 2 years ago
I think a lot of people are considerably missing the point. An “Overrated” Director is a filmmaker whom is heavily appraised and followed, who you as the subjective believes to not be deserved of that merit.
Marc Forster, Joel Schumacher, Kevin Smith, Harmony Korine, Tyler Perry, Bryan Singer, Michael “fuckin” Bay do not deserve to be mentioned because no filmmaker in their right mind can have a conversation about their technique in terms of pure direction. Smith’s strength is a writer in Clerks, Chasing Amy. Singer Sculpted a great story ark with his writing part and Spacey helped sell it with minimal direction. Korine should be in another field if it wasn’t for the intrigued he gains. and so on and so forth with rest I’ve mentioned. Some of these men are great businessmen and they put people in seats with the most modern of entertaining gimmicks.
Paul Haggis has Oscars for the most bullshit films to be printed on celluloid. Inject a three act structure out of a Syd Field book, make it about social issues, have characters have problems, have a dramatic ending. Bam you can have Oscar gold.
Following would be Guy Maddin, he’s tries to hard to create films out of his financial resource. His shorts are brilliant, but without solid dramatic script, solid cast 2 hour film doesn’t fully resonate.
and finally
Jean-Luc Godard. He’s a rebel, and true cinephile, his enthusiasm and his ideology in making films are what is influential, not his direction in the films or the films themselves. Its like a rebel of teen or a young adult is sometimes admirable in its ideology but eventually everyone grows out of it. After the 60’s Godard didn’t and the film world left him behind. of like 80 films he’s made maybe 10 of those are watchable. We merit him because he’s the first to use the jump cut, now everyone does it but a great director continues to find a way to be relevant and make trend. Some people talk him up as the beginning or great french cinema and how ushered in the New Wave. Sorry but Jean Pierre Melville started it and he did genre cinema better than anyone.
PS: Spielberg most overrated ummm sorry i Don’t think so! please shut up and go watch a Woody Allen movie. People don’t seem to mention Saving Private Ryan, Schindler’s List, Raiders of the Lost Ark as overrated films thus how may you then say he is overrated?? Its unquestionable how much a masterpiece a film like Schindler’s List is, This guys technique is the most mirrored and copied since pre-1940s, for better or for worse.
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Foreign Laguage Films: Subtitles or Overdubbing over 2 years ago
Dubbed films shouldn’t exist. Is it that hard to read?
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 2 years ago
Croix: Anyone can argue that nothing in this world is original and that everyone is just perfects others techniques.
Let me hear you critique of Schindler’s List and Saving Private Ryan? how are they not amazing works of cinema? Is just a subjective reaction are can clinically break down both films and say what Spielberg contributed to those projects did not project them to be two of the greatest big budget American films ever.
Michael Bay and Spielberg are not remotely the same, because they create effects driven blockbusters are you going clump him in as being the same. Those films even for Spielberg are his worst easily with exception to Raiders. He ever rarely comes with a film he has a personal investment and he mixes his intelligence and his aesthetic of popcorn cinema and mixes a intelligent film that’s accessible for everyone, Even for pretentious Cinephiles such as you and myself who are on this site.
The end of the day what everyone on this site rarely realizes is that they argue an opinion based on subjective viewing. Oh I like this one. i didn’t really connect with this film. I didnt understand this film. To have a descent opinion make a few films of your own, learn the technology and then watch a film and feel it through. It’ll round your opinion out.
I’m guilty of it to, i’m fully admitting, but I would find it really refreshing if i read something that shows that this person truly understands film and he really dissected this filmmaker or film.
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What non-directors could be thought of as "auteurs" in their own right? over 2 years ago
Roger Deakins (Cinematographer) The strength of his images and his lighting schemes saved Assassination of Jesse James, elevating it to a great new age western.
Matthew Weiner (creator of Mad Men and former Sopranos writer) You can tell what episodes he’s written on the Sopranos when you see them if you are a keen watcher of Mad Men.
I totally concur with Whittle and Elvis, Producers like Jerry Bruckheimer and Brian Grazer, you can tell their respective control over their films for better or for worse.
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 2 years ago
That’s weak man, do you really expect me to search through your threads to find how you technically dissected Schindler’s List + Private Ryan.
Yeah but Spielberg’s career is defined by a significant split between almost two different directors.
The Spielberg, the Dreamworks studio executive, a filmmaker concerned in using the most recent in technology to tell a generic three act structure and gain financial return while creating a film so that the general populous can watch and be purely on a basic level be entertained. (You can fill the blank on what films go into this column.)
Then you have Spielberg when he has a personal connection to a project. Close Encounter’s, Schindler’s List, Amistad, Private Ryan, Munich etc…Has Michael Bay ever had a personal connection to a films he’s made, no i don’t think… cause he has no soul. Bay couldn’t make anything like remotely close to these films. Spielberg might be sentimental, but the significant difference maker from him and all the other effects blockbuster directors, is that Spielberg sentiment always seems to come off as genuine.
Ok to start with the Script. I’ve read Zaillian original and its essentially a hugely stripped down version of the book. The characters exist in the book, and the story is generally there. Schindler’s not as respected in the book, but the nazi Amon is still and brilliant rich character. Spielberg added the ghetto liquidation sequence, to help round out the dramatic trajectory and helping make Schindler change of motive not so unbelievable. Good job Steve.
Casting is perfect. There isn’t a single miscast. Liam Neeson, Ralph Finnes at their best not to mention Ben Kingsley. and its a difficult movie to cast because with some German being spoken, and all the various accents need to mesh without irritation or you will spoil the tangibility of world in the film. Why not just do it all in German, well the possibility that same people who push for dubbed movies don’t sink in with the important dramatic plot points.
Ok now to actual production, Working with Kaminski, developing to that create style, and deciding to strip down his typical approach and aesthetics of crane shots and stedi-cams, to documentary style, like much of the docs and news you see on it. Brilliant choice, adds realism and with a financial budget of 15 million, it allows to add days to the schedule and get extras and sets built whilst still have a very steady work flow. great choice cause the film is 3 hours but it’s pace and rhythm begins in the production schedule because Spielberg edits his rough cut while he shoots. Black white is brilliant allows the beautiful metaphor of the little child in the red coat to stand out to the audience, loss of innocence etc…
The stands up in every way of cinema. Brilliant dialogue and scenes ( I… pardon you), Humanity and duality in all the characters all help project the idea of whats the worst human cans do. The pacing of this film is easy Spielberg’s best, simply because it’s a dense film in it’s poetic tangibles. Music is wonderful, Perlman’s violin is rich with sorrow, the sound from itself tells a story of human tragedy. Kaminski’s lighting schemes, black and white is tough to get great results out of, but he just really makes that light layer, and help emote the world, especially in the opening sequence.
The historical timing of the film has to be mentioned also, I remember hearing stories of how in the late eighties a cousin’s Kosher deli being vandalized by neo-nazi’s in Hell’s Kitchen. I know neo-nazism was continually rising throughout the eighties and after the fall of the berlin wall.
So to release and dedicate a film like this so that the whole of North American culture can hopefully without feeling alienated by an art-house appeal see it, truly connect with it, and learn, question things. It’s serves a purpose, and shows the true power of cinema and possibilities and responsibilities filmmakers have to continue to tell these kinds of stories with honesty and no exploitation.
It’s a Masterpiece and easily the best film representation of the Holocaust simply because its ability to work on every level, except apparently yours Blade Runner (Deckard).
I believe i got my point across and i wont go on, you still want to call me out. you message me, and ill continue…
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 2 years ago
No need to get insulting blade runner.
As I said if you wanted to continue this just message me. Id like to see you defend Pearl Harbor. Like in any art form, peoples interpretation is always slightly subjective, i just tried to mildly back it up, with what i read in the making of book, and just what i recall from the film. I could go into greater detail technically, but I do that on cinematography forums and my post was already unjustifiably long, where if i were to go any longer I couldnt justify the time Ive spent from actually editing my film, and other current projects.
We can move on, You don’t like Spielberg cause he has feelings. I guess you’re not a replicant Deckard. Lighten up dude, and take a joke man, you’re blessed with a wicked first name.
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Mean Streets Remake or Untouchable? over 2 years ago
This is a Topic dedicated to the idea of Scorsese’s Mean Streets being made for contemporary audiences with a budget? How it should be done? Why it shouldn’t be done? Should Scorsese Direct it? etc…
The hope is to begin debate.
cheers:
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Favorite Cinematographer over 2 years ago
Roger Deakins
Conrad Hall
Vittorio Storaro
Kubrick
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What's the best head explosion scene ever? over 2 years ago
Has anyone said the JFK assassination in the Zapruder film? (sorry that was distasteful i know)
On a Serious note: Yeah Scanners is classic. Pulp Fiction its a great plot point. and i might have not seen it written before but I’m surprised The Elevator Scene in The Departed hasn’t been mentioned.
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What films do you always catch shit for for not liking? over 2 years ago
Woody Allen between Annie Hall and Match Point. He made the same film 20+ times. I get it you married a child you raised, and you think about it.
Inland empire, I passionately dislike that film.
8 1/2
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Who do you think the most overrated director is? over 2 years ago
Everyone not in hollywood
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