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Critical 20: FINAL THREAD: Lancelot du Lac (Bresson)

Dan Bayer

about 2 years ago

And post comments on the reviews, too; half the fun of writing these is seeing what other people have to say about them and the film.

Mathew

about 2 years ago

How the heck d’ya send a vote?

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

You can vote here, Weasel.

People who were participating in the game should send me their vote, if they want it to be private, or they can post it here.

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Yes, and do post comments about the reviews too! :)

Mathew

about 2 years ago

My vote is for WBA.

“…his cinema is against the “taking of sides” in any traditional way.”

His last films especially. Neither this nor that.

The characters are almost entirely defined by their alliances. The unique helmets and armour, the flags; all representative of where they stand, or who they’re with. Lancelot’s ring, the scarf.

Lancelot betrays more people than Mordred. Himself especially. Impossible to fit perfectly into any group without betraying yourself. All those flags and helmets can confuse you about who’s really behind them. Is Gawain a naive conformist? Obviously.

I’m also not crazy about Guinivere. She only smiles with Gawain I noticed.

The final shot is the same as the heap of cars in The Devil Probably. You don’t see any humans or humanity, only their waste. Only a byproduct of war and progress. Arrogance.

Why did they fail? Lancelot’s affair and existential crisis coulda ended well for him. I find this film more bleak than The Devil Probably and L’Argent. No success here.

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

^ Thank you for your vote and comments!

Anyone else want to jump in?…

Drunken Father Figure of Old

about 2 years ago

I’m gonna vote for Dan’s. I really liked both of the reviews, but I felt like Dan’s told me more about the film and made me more interested in it, even if he didn’t get as much out of the film. So maybe I would like WBA’s interpretations better if I had already seen the film? I don’t know… all of these rounds have been hard to vote in!

If there is a next time, I definitely think we should come up with a more specific criteria to judge the reviews by.

Jirin

about 2 years ago

Both reviews have their own thing to offer, but I have to go with WBA. WBA offers the sort of writing that I hoped for when I signed up for this game. Although I think his Michael Bay comparison is a little silly, he articulated it and justified it very well.

Dan Bayer’s review comes off more as a negation of the intent of the film than a discussion of it. Maybe I wouldn’t feel this way if I hadn’t seen the film before, but it seems to me as a misreading of the intent of the film as more of a response to the Arthurian legends than a filming of them.

The best way to write a negative review of a film is to discuss the aspects of it you felt didn’t work and explain why they didn’t work, rather than just negating the film. For instance, both reviews talked about the expressionlessness of the actors, but WBA discussed why Bresson made that stylistic choice whereas Dan Bayer just noted it as something missing, negating the acting rather than discussing it.

There are, of course, things I disagree with in WBA’s review as well, like the mention of Michael Bay as somebody interested in visual beauty, but he found a way to make the comparisons in a way that was interesting and engaging, rather than negating.

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Thanks, and… I need MORE votes!

And don’t mind MORE comments.

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Bump — any more votes/comments?…

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

LAST bump — I have very few votes, but it seems that everyone is done voting who is going to vote.

Do I tally and end the game?

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

I’ll give you (MIA) guys till Sunday and then finish it.

Mathew

about 2 years ago

What the heck is this? How many votes were there? Were the other rounds much more active? Obviously with less reviews it’ll be less active, but…

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Ok thanks for bumping this, The Weasel Man.

I got very few votes but the few I got declare WBA the winner.

Congratulations, WBA, and to all, well-played!

And yes, The Weasel Man, the other rounds were more active, but as people were voted out/dropped out they lost interest completely in participation.

In the end about half of the participants (4 out of 8) stuck it out.

I think it’s a great game but it requires more energy than some of the others going on, and you really have to want to play.

It’s always tricky with the internet…

I do admire everyone’s willingness to watch the movies we had and to write critiques — it’s not an easy thing.

Mathew

about 2 years ago

Congratulations WBA

What does he win?

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

WBA is a she.

Uli is the originator of the game — what does she win, Uli?

ruby stevens

about 2 years ago

wba isn’t a she. if u don’t believe me read the first part of this thread

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Whaaaa? Ok. I… give… up.

Mathew

about 2 years ago

He or she… I’m just wondering: should I or should I not cut and paste myself into the picture over the woman…?

Drunken Father Figure of Old

about 2 years ago

:D I love gender confusion on the internet! I tried to trick you guys into thinking I was a girl once, and I’m not sure if I was successful, or if people were just being sarcastic. Either way, I don’t think anyone would really believe it.

ruby stevens

about 2 years ago

drunken mother figure? scary

Dan Bayer

about 2 years ago

Congratulations, WBA! I had a feeling your last write-up would get more votes than mine, and not just because I had a more negative view of the film than you did. That last one was really hard to write because I just couldn’t work out how I felt about the film.

It sucks that people didn’t stick with this as the number of critics got pared down. But, I suppose that is the nature of the thing. At any rate, I certainly had a great time doing it, and would recommend participating, should this ever be tried again, to anyone who enjoys writing about films.

odilonvert

about 2 years ago

Glad the game was appealing as it was to those who stuck it out. :)

WBA

about 2 years ago

Great, I’ve won. :-D
What can I say: I definitely liked the game. ;-)

Too bad that not all participants stayed along till the end, as that was the whole point of the game. If your critique was “rejected” you weren’t really voted out of the game. Maybe that should be stressed more the next time, if there will be a next time. Anyways, as I said before, I’m glad to have been part of this experience which I really enjoyed. Especially the part about being forced to write and see what one comes up with. I don’t think I would have given the films so much thought, If I diddn’t have to write about them. So, it’s incredible how much writing about a film fuels your reflexive processes. I hadn’t realized this before. Writing about film as not so much a formulating about your thoughts, but a discovery of them.

And a big, big Thank You to Odilonvert for sticking out till the end and being a very open-minded, thorough and objective moderator. :-)

@Dan. Thanks. Before I started my write-up I thought you would win the Finals. I only discovered that I loved the film during my writing process. Before that, I was also ambivalent about it.
But as soon as I came to Michael Bay, I knew I had a winner here. ;-)

About the gender issue: My avatar is a screenshot from a film I admire, and is not photographically depicting myself.

WBA

about 2 years ago

Btw., I was on vacation for the last 12 days, so I couldn’t comment on the thread after my initial post(s). Sorry if that kinda felt like I thought I had done my due after posting the critique and didn’t want to participate in discussions about it (or my review).