Here’s a place to vote for the best German films! You can nominate up to 3 in order or preference.
I shall count everyone’s vote fairly. Here’s how I shall count votes: 1st place +3 points; 2nd place +2 points; 3rd place +1 point. You don’t need to nominate 3 films. If you only nominate a single film, it gets 3 points. Or you could nominate 6 equal and they would get one point each. Here’s my 3….
Triumph of the Will
The nominations will close on 31 Oct at midnight, GMT and results will be announced the next day. Yeeha!
Will you count votes that don’t include “Triumph of the Will”?
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
I’m a day behind reading posts, so I’m absent context right now.
A little background. Arcanus, in the past, has openly espoused Neo-Nazi and Anti-Semitic views here. While his offending posts were moderated, he has obviously not been banned.
The moderators erred in how they handled it last time around. I hope MUBI will take a stand that Neo-Nazis should not be welcomed here.
Don’t be fooled that he started out this thread benignly. His interest in German films (a country that has produced some of my favorite films) is couched in his Nazi ideology. Ask yourselves if you really want to encourage him.
Better to provoke the nutters into getting themselves banned sometimes, I find.
Nazis are dicks…
I just looked at your profile: “I am a multi-faceted personality of immense intelligence and charm.” Is this a reference to something, or is it ACTUALLY your description of yourself?
“I hope MUBI will take a stand that Neo-Nazis should not be welcomed here.”
no need to be so intolerant. why can’t everyone be welcome here?
I’m pretty sure he’s just your average troll with a below average sense of humor, no?
Fine, and why couldn’t everyone have been more tolerant of Hitler? After all, what’s wrong with a little genocide here and there?
Alice in the Cities
The Marriage of Maria Braun
@Ari – I thought you said you were leaving this site as you weren’t wanted here. I suggest you do just that. I have reported your calling me an “asshole”. You should learn some manners.
@Apursansar – naturally I shall count ALL votes.
@Brad S. – if you can show me where I have ever made an anti-semitic fremark, I should be interested.
Generally speaking, having an interest in 1930s German history and German films does not make one a Nazi. Believing that Leni Riefenstahl was the greatest maker of documentaries ever does not make one a Nazi either. Indeed, Leni herself was not a Nazi fanatic by any means. I am sick and tired of the hatred spewed out towards Germany by certain groups of people in the media.
One other point: liking “Battleship Potemkin” does not make one a communist, does it? Loving Shostakovich’s music doesn’t mean one supports communism either. I also like Mahler’s music – does that make me an Austrian Jew?
i’m a witness, this person has been taunting ari in at least 2 other threads. it’s disgusting this behavior is allowed to continue! this is worse than stutsman’s porn troll tho more insidious
I was going to point out that Mr. Anus’ previous anti-Semitic remarks had been moderated, so couldn’t be reposted, but it seems he went at it yesterday on our latest voting game.
He wrote: " I assume the reason why Triumph of the Will has been eliminated (and why my vote was discounted) is the ANTI-GERMAN movement promoted by pro-Israelis here."
Somehow the moderators are able to to consistnatly chase the porn posting troll when he shows up. This racist SOB is worse and deserves the same treatment. Its called hate speech and it can’t be ignored.
Yeah, even more, this idea that anyone who opposes Nazism is “anti-German” is so profoundly offensive to actual Germans (not even getting to his “pro-Israeli” nonsense). Of course, the irony is that in actual Germany, some of what Arcanus has written would constitute hate speech (and not just in Germany – in most of Europe) and would be a criminal offense. But he seems to know enough about this to gently toe the line a little in his comments in that regard.
“Loving Shostakovich’s music doesn’t mean one supports communism”
Actually, Shostakovich himself was strongly opposed to communism, or at least to Stalinist totalitarianism, and his music was usually a thinly veiled indictment of the government. Just look at the unbalanced, terrifyingly triumphant conclusion of the ninth symphony. I could go on and on about Shostakovich all day!
And mods, there was a typo in the thread title. Please correct it to read “THE BEST GERMAN FILMS EVAR!!!”
My father has an interest in German History Arcanus and surprisingly has no positive feelings for Nazi. Sure he gets cranky and has his “old” moments but he certainly has no love for a group of people who are responsible for an incredibly dark period in human history. You also have an interest in gay films right? You know that Herr Fuhrer wouldn’t have tolerated that right?
I honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling or are just socially ignorant.
BEN: Troll. I see no other way…if for no other reason than that TRIUMPH clearly isn’t actually that good to anyone who has sat through the whole thing. On this basis alone, dude’s gotta be lying.
BRAD: Well, the porn .jpegs do have a weird way of popping out at you from within a field of text more than ignorant comments do.
@Ari You stated “I treat human beings with respect. You are a worthless Nazi piece of shit troll who only deserves scorn and ridicule.” I have reported you again for your insulting behaviour. You really should wash your mouth out with carbolic soap.
@ Drunken Father Figure Of Old. Re Shostakovich. There is considerable debate as to whether Shosty was actually anit-communist in any way. He wrote a considerable amount of music for pro-Soviet films, his 2nd and 3rd symphonies are strongly pro-socialist. I would certainly agree he was anti-Stalin, but mainly because Stalin criticised his music and Shosty was totally shit-scared that he would be sent to the gulags. What is inconvertible is that Shostakovich was a Russian patriot who loved his motherland. He never moved away from the Soviet Union, even when he was free to do so if he had wished. The Shosty biographical book which claims he to give his innermost thoughts is suspected of being a fake. But I would agree that much of his music can be interpreted as expressing sorrow about his downtrodden and tragic nation under totalitarianism.
@ Ben – I totally fail to see why an interest in German history of the 30s should rule out an interest in gay films. You are quite correct that the Nazi Party was not at all keen on homosexuals, and many gay men were persecuted and worse. I don’t understand your phrase “socially ignorant” – perhaps you would clarify in words an Oxford graduate would understand.
@ Ben Simington – the fact that YOU believe Triumph des Willens to be “not actually that good” says more about your critical faculties than anything else. It is widely regarded as a masterpiece. Maybe everyone else is wrong and you are right. On the other hand, someone who uses phrases like “dude’s gotta be lying” is hardly likely to be very well informed or educated, are they?
Personally I would draw a line between having an opinion and continuously taunting others with it, and a second between advocating doing actual harm to others.
Arcanus is extremely vocally hostile to anyone who disagrees with him, but I haven’t heard him advocate harm.
“Believing that Leni Riefenstahl was the greatest maker of documentaries ever does not make one a Nazi either.”
How about writing racist poetry? That’s what you posted on your blog:
“Adolf Hitler was really quite a chap
He made those Froggies eat a lot of crap;
And he made all those Norwegians
Look like a load of paraplegians.
He marched into Poland with his troops
Into their pants those Poles did poops.
He made short work of the poor old Greeks:
And in their pants they did big keeks.
Killing the Jews was oh so bad and cruel:
Burning them up for harsh winter fuel.
But invading Russia was a bad place to go
And the Nazis froze in the cold and snow.
The Yanks were frightened to join in the war:
They were shit scared of what they saw;
(they only got involved when the Japanese
brought the Pearl Harbour fleet to its knees).
Only the Brits stood resolute and brave
For Churchill was an inspiring knave;
He fought Adolf on the shores and beaches
And the Germans crapped their leder-britches.
So what is the lesson of these facts from history?
Not bloody much – what a fucking mystery.”
In my opinion that’s as racist and insulting as it gets, so it’s rather paradoxical that you report someone else for “insulting behaviour”.
Who do people get “reported” to?
that sounds creepy. How do I find out if I’ve been “reported?” Is there a some sort of station I go to in order to face charges?
my 3 picks:
The Nasty Girl